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The one who is stupid is you. The fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom.
Gods ways are not our ways. He is high above us all, the creator of all things. He has mercy on YOU and give you the Sun the Rain. But you fling all his good gifts back in his face and call him stupid. Your foolishness and error, your hasty words and mocking attitude - toward the mighty God - is breathtaking!! And really, really stupid.
LOL yes, of course in your world "real understanding" = memorizing your playbook of apologetics BS
No, I understand the Bible quite a bit more than you and your ilk ever will, dear. It's a collection of myths and fairytales plagiarized off of earlier myths and fairytales.
So I take it you can read Koine Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic? Granted I can't, but Christian Biblical scholars for centuries have been able to do so. They'd class as our "ilk."
There will be similarities between mythos because myths tell us truths about ourselves and how we relate to ourselves, to nature, or each other. If the Bible had no similarities to other myths it'd be too particular or inscrutable.
I love to write that way. It pricks the bubble of snobby sanctity that surrounds the Bible - thing and brings it down to earth. Then one cas see whether it sounds feasible when placed in a real-world context.
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And I do see what you mean. One that's more puzzling to me as an adult is the woman who touched Jesus's cloak and then Jesus asking around who touched him. As a kid I didn't see a problem with that, but as an adult it does seem odd Jesus would have to ask who touched his cloak. Being Jesus shouldn't he have known? It doesn't shake my faith, but I wouldn't mind a theory there.
You got it. It's the old Gospel problem of how much did Jesus know? On one hand, he's constantly warning the disciples in very specific terms about dying and being raised again so he knows what's going to happen, but other things he doesn't know about. Now, one can (the theist apologists do) argue that God let Jesus know what he had to know and kept from him what he needed to have kept from him. But that looks to me a bit like scriptwriting. There are other oddities like Jesus having to hide and sneak out of the temple (John 8.59) and of course, asking God to be let off crucifixion and God ignoring him. There are any amount of ways to look at that, but it does imply, for the Christian believer, that Jesus, once incarnated, though God, was somehow kept in the dark by himself.
It's the thing I discussed with Campbell34 about Did Jesus make everything? In a way, one could say that Jesus is God so must be the creator. In another (John indicates as much) it seems as though the man Jesus was a meat robot containing God. There seemed a sort of changing comprehension between the man -brain and the God-brain.
As to the woman. I believe that only occurs in one Gospel. I'd guess that was Luke. let's check with the ol' online Bible...
Mark 5.30 after returning acros the lake Gadara and before healing the daughter of Jairus.
Luke 8.45 pretty much the same. And using the same form of words, note.
But it doesn't appear in Matthew, oddly. And of course, not in John.
Not significant in itself, but puzzling that Matthew didn't think that worth mentioning. So my theory is it's a made - up story, but I can't expect that to be taken without doing lot more to show evidence for that. Which I can.
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Anyway back to this case. Doing it this way Abraham got to be a more active participant in the conversation. God's not changing his mind really he's just answering questions. The way you describe it'd all be very one way. God would just be telling Abraham stuff with Abraham sort-of nodding.
Sorry, can't buy that, for reasons already given. It is attempting to dismiss an evident negotiation about something which an all-knowing prescient god would already know. And reading on just shows that God, after signing a peace agreement, send the tanks in next day. Even if one talks of free will in a divinely precient Matrix, it is an unedifying display by God.
I bet noone reads it and it's boring. Point taken.
But does it mean you fellas have to come one level up begging for attention? And these are adults
You have a point here, and I have to aologize. I got mixed up and posted in the Religion thread when I thought I was in the Atheism thread.
You also have a point about the Atheism thread being boring. Atheism isn't very interesting, being the lack of belief in any god...what's so interesting about that? Isn't that as sad as those societies of people that meet to say how much they never watch any film with Sylvester Stallone in?
Yes, religion is so much more interesting that atheism. Just as James Bond is more interesting than Howard Taft. But Taft was real.
If any moderator feels that any of my posts are inappropriate to the religion thread and wants to move them, I have no objection. If not, then they can stay here and you theists will have to deal with it.
The one who is stupid is you. The fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom.
Gods ways are not our ways. He is high above us all, the creator of all things. He has mercy on YOU and give you the Sun the Rain. But you fling all his good gifts back in his face and call him stupid. Your foolishness and error, your hasty words and mocking attitude - toward the mighty God - is breathtaking!! And really, really stupid.
That of course assumes your gawd exists in the first place. Next time you talk to him, tell him, he owes me $300k (or more) for the $30k I was conned out of by one of his shepherds.
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It doesn't shake my faith, but I wouldn't mind a theory there.
