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Would you also like to try to debate that humans can survive without sustinence as well? How about Santa Claus? Let's debate that humans and pigs have the same levels of IQ, while we're at it?
My point in saying that there is no debate is because we have evidentiary proof that macroevolution took place. The debate isn't in whether or not it took place, but why and how it took place.
Until you understand exactly what it is you're debating against (as you do not), then this has been a lesson in futility.
Good luck in your endeavors, but it's clear you've plastered yourself into a corner and have no desire for learning.
Well, that seems to toss the notion of the global flood of Noah in the trash.
You are illogically speaking.
The seed of the Woman [the Woman is Zion above, personified] was to come in flesh from the beginning, and to be the Kinsman/Redeemer =Ga'al, in Hebrew, to Adam, who would ransom Adam back for the Glory.
the purpose of the flood was to consume all sin on earth so that the seed could come forth, via Adam kind, kept alive on earth through Noah's sons.
So what is it that you are trying to say? The Bible teaches about the old man, Adam, and the New Man, who is Christ come n human flesh as Kinsman to Adam, to ransom Adam back for the Glory.
My point in saying that there is no debate is because we have evidentiary proof that macroevolution took place.
You have not one shred of proof of any such thing, cause it has not happened, won't happen, and isn't happening.
Adam [our race] is Adam, and what Adam is, is from the beginning of creation, inherent.
You have not one shred of proof of any such thing, cause it has not happened, won't happen, and isn't happening.
Adam [our race] is Adam, and what Adam is, is from the beginning of creation, inherent.
you have not one shred of proof of any such thing as 'creation', cause it has not happend, won't happen, and isn't happening!
You are illogically speaking.
The seed of the Woman [the Woman is Zion above, personified] was to come in flesh from the beginning, and to be the Kinsman/Redeemer =Ga'al, in Hebrew, to Adam, who would ransom Adam back for the Glory.
the purpose of the flood was to consume all sin on earth so that the seed could come forth, via Adam kind, kept alive on earth through Noah's sons.
So what is it that you are trying to say? The Bible teaches about the old man, Adam, and the New Man, who is Christ come n human flesh as Kinsman to Adam, to ransom Adam back for the Glory.
No, I'm not speaking illogically. I'm trying to understand your thinking, which frankly seems to have so many holes that it's like trying to hold water in a colander.
The woman was Zion? I thought she was called Eve? Okay, "the purpose of the flood was to consume all sin on earth so that the seed could come forth, via Adam kind, kept alive on earth through Noah's sons." That suggests purity was preserved and should reign on forever more. But that's clearly not the case. Things got so bad that when Moses came along, the Law of the 10 Commandments had to be issued. Then Christ came in human flesh which was by necessity a descendant of Noah who in turn was a descendant of Adam. So the dirt of the old man lived on past the flood all the way to the present time. It now appears your are talking about THREE CREATIONS that resulted from (1) Adam and Eve, (2) Noah and his family, and (3) Christ. Regardless, it would all stem back to the original creation of Adam.
Are there any more creations you haven't mentioned?
[quote=NightBazaar;9977073]No, I'm not speaking illogically. I'm trying to understand your thinking, which frankly seems to have so many holes that it's like trying to hold water in a colander.
The woman was Zion?
Genesis 3:15; The woman whose Seed would crush the head of the serpent is "Zion above/ Jerusalem above/ the City of God/ The Church/ The mother of us all"/ the personified woman of Scripture's symbolism, in whom the Firstborn is the Chief Foundation Stone laid, for the building of God's Glory to indwell, which building is the New/second Man.
That is Bible doctrine, and more on the New Man as the Everlasting Father of the New Creation is in the Word, which any interested party can search out for themselves.
That suggests purity was preserved and should reign on forever more.
No it never did, it just preserved the Adam spirit/nature, so that God's purpose would be fulfilled in the creating of Adam, so as to get sons of God for His Glory to indwell, through a people whom He formed for His Glory from the descendants of Noah; The fornicating of angels with daughters of Adam and the birth of the nephillim tried to mess up the line of the Adam "plant", so as to cause the earth to never be redeemed and the Adam race, to whom it was given ,to never to be redeemed; and the Righteous, Holy One [God the Word, the Son of Man in heaven as seen there by Enoch, who was with God and who was God, hidden], was to come and is come, through Shem... Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and now He is come through the line of Judah, and He is the New Creation Man, the Firstborn of earth -Jesus- who has paid the ransom and owns the earth and will soon return to take possession of His ransomed kingdom and reign over it for a thousand year Sabbath Rest of Peace.
But that's clearly not the case. Things got so bad that when Moses came along, the Law of the 10 Commandments had to be issued.
Things are not so bad yet as they will be, says Enoch, and the The Ten Commandments just spell out what the righteous man is, from his heart. The True Sabbath Rest is oracled in the seventh day Sabbath given to the namesake people [Israel] of the New Man name, to rehearse until the True is come for all souls- whosoever will- enter in and be redeemed.
Israel has not yet, as a nation, entered into the true Sabbath, as the author of Hebrews states in Hebrews 4. At this time, the call is going out to all peoples to come and be made new in the Living Spirit, by adoption, because of the ransom paid for their souls; which ransom, the Atonement, was oracled in the Law given to the namesake people to rehearse, about the Person and Work of the New Man -who is now the Firstborn of earth.
Then Christ came in human flesh which was by necessity a descendant of Noah who in turn was a descendant of Adam. So the dirt of the old man lived on past the flood all the way to the present time.
Jesus is reverse adopted into the race of Adam, by being born out of the virgin, in whose womb the flesh was prepared for His incarnation, as the Scriptures state.
His human being body is that "New Thing in the earth" which Jeremiah spoke of, when the woman compassed a geber/man. Jesus is not an "Adam" flesh, but a New Man name, the "Israel" flesh [Isaiah 49], and we call Him Salvation/Hoshea/Jesus, and He is the Christ come in flesh, and His namesake people bear His own name, as second Man and as God of the whole earth.
What ever are you making up? Biblically, There are only two created human beings: Adam and Israel; the old man and the new man; the first man and the second man.
We are all in Adam, the dead in spirit and flesh man, which happened at the fall of our firstborn; and we are all called to be born again into the Living Spirit/Christ, who is come in flesh as the second Man and who paid our ransom and cleanses us and adopts us to be His own sons -the adoption was oracled int he name given to Jacob to wear, as a sign of the adoption to come in that Name.
We cannot be saved unless we are born again, in Spirit, from above; for in Adam [our old man nature], we all are dead, dying, and shall die; but in Christ, whosoever will may be made alive, live, and live forever.
The woman was Zion?
Genesis 3:15; The woman whose Seed would crush the head of the serpent is "Zion above/ Jerusalem above/ the City of God/ The Church/ The mother of us all"/ the personified woman of Scripture's symbolism, in whom the Firstborn is the Chief Foundation Stone laid, for the building of God's Glory to indwell, which building is the New/second Man.
So then, according to you, there was no woman named Eve. The woman was just a city/church/etc. that gave birth to a foundation stone (a brick) for a building. WOW! That's quite a definition for a woman. Sorry ladies, I guess you don't exist, except as an earthly city, church, or something that gives birth to bricks.
Well, you got one thing right when you said: "Scripture's symbolism". The Bible has loads of symbolism, including the creation account.
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That suggests purity was preserved and should reign on forever more.
No it never did, it just preserved the Adam spirit/nature, so that God's purpose would be fulfilled in the creating of Adam, so as to get sons of God for His Glory to indwell, through a people whom He formed for His Glory from the descendants of Noah; The fornicating of angels with daughters of Adam and the birth of the nephillim tried to mess up the line of the Adam "plant", so as to cause the earth to never be redeemed and the Adam race, to whom it was given ,to never to be redeemed
It preserved more than just "the Adam spirit/nature". It also preserved the physical genetic line of the first man made of dirt. But wrong-doing came into the world because angels were fornicating with the daughters of Adam and messing things up. And that meant the Adam race, which includes the entire human race, will never be redeemed. So the great flood was to kill off the race of Adam. Except Noah and his family, who all descended from Adam's race survived, meaning the Adam race never completely died. And much later, Jesus was born, who descended from Noah who descended from the race of Adam (the man of dirt). He was of the race of Adam. However, there is no solid indication that Jesus ever had children, so regardless of whether he was a new creation, he had no known direct line of decendents. That means everyone who are of the race of Adam, which includes everyone on the planet, is doomed. And that means you're doomed as well.
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But that's clearly not the case. Things got so bad that when Moses came along, the Law of the 10 Commandments had to be issued.
Things are not so bad yet as they will be, says Enoch, and the The Ten Commandments just spell out what the righteous man is, from his heart.
They weren't options called the 10 Ideal Characteristics of a Righteous Man. They were COMMANDS/orders/requirements/laws that must be followed. But those were just the start because they were followed by a long list of other commands as stated in the Book of Leviticus. "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." -James 2:10, KJV
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Then Christ came in human flesh which was by necessity a descendant of Noah who in turn was a descendant of Adam. So the dirt of the old man lived on past the flood all the way to the present time.
His human being body is that "New Thing in the earth" which Jeremiah spoke of, when the woman compassed a geber/man. Jesus is not an "Adam" flesh, but a New Man name, the "Israel" flesh [Isaiah 49], and we call Him Salvation/Hoshea/Jesus, and He is the Christ come in flesh, and His namesake people bear His own name, as second Man and as God of the whole earth.
Please define a "gerber/man". Regardless, you cannot say Jesus was not born or created from the "Adam" flesh because he descended from the royal line of Judea, which means his body descended from the race of Adam.
You're trying to spiritualize things when conveniently needed, just as you try to spiritualize the idea about the sun.
So then, according to you, there was no woman named Eve.
Do you not know what the Bible states in anything at all?
Eve [life] is the female/Ishyah Adam person, taken from the male/ish Adam person. That has nothing to do with Zion personified as the Woman of Scripture called the Church/Mother of us all/Jerusalem above/Zion above; which is Bible doctrine, as I said; and you can search it out for yourself, as this thread is about the Light not being the sun, and those who claim that the light created on day 1 was the sun are foolish, and silly, because there was not a firmament/heaven/s until day 2.
Do you not know what the Bible states in anything at all?
Eve [life] is the female/Ishyah Adam person, taken from the male/ish Adam person. That has nothing to do with Zion personified as the Woman of Scripture called the Church/Mother of us all/Jerusalem above/Zion above; which is Bible doctrine, as I said; and you can search it out for yourself, as this thread is about the Light not being the sun, and those who claim that the light created on day 1 was the sun are foolish, and silly, because there was not a firmament/heaven/s until day 2.
Utter nonsense! Don't go blaming me for your mistakes! You're the one who said: "The seed of the Woman [the Woman is Zion above, personified]". Symbolic. Where did you find THAT in the Bible? Then you flip-flop mixing symbolic expressions with non-symbolic expressions without clarifying yourself.
Oh, I agree that without the incandescense of stars (which includes the Sun) there'd be no light. And you're also right that if there was no universe, well, there'd be no stars that emit light. But a lot of stuff you're taking about sounds like you're either confused, or having a hard time making yourself clear. People have to take what you say to be what you mean. They aren't mind readers.
What on earth do you mean Adam was "male/ish"? See what I mean that you're confusing?
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