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You are deceived and deceiving by posting slander against the qualifications of those men.
You do not research for yourself and are confident that all lies are truth against all good men who love God and His Word and who are able to defend the truth which you so despise -and you slandered their education, passing on false reports and you did so in hatred aganst anyone who can actually show that the claims of evolutionists are lies, because there are thousands and thousands and thousands of proofs of man and dinosaurs interacting, in historical artifacts and written histories of men, from the beginning.
The certified credentials of Dr. Don Patton Ph.D. (http://www.bible.ca/tracks/degree.htm - broken link)
Personal Profile of Dr. Don Patton:
Dr. Patton Writes: Glen Kuban, who wrote "A Matter of Degree", is a notorious slanderer. Half truth and outright distortion is typical. I tried and have given up trying to communicate with him. In my opinion, he has little or no regard for truth. John Blanton had carelessly plagiarized the lies of Glen Kuban without going to the original sources. When Blanton was directed to the original sources and discovered that Kuban’s charges were false, Blanton joined Glen Kuban in the "ring of dishonesty".
My formal education consists of the following:
Four years, Florida College, Temple Terrace, FL (Bible)
Two years, Austin Peay State University, Clarksville, TN (Geology)
Two years, Indiana Univ./Purdue Univ., Indianapolis, IN (Geology)
Two years, Pacific School of Graduate Studies, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (Education). Ph.D. granted 12/10/1993 (Education).
I actually have more hours in Geology but my doctorate is in Education. Accreditation has been a political football in Australia, determined not by educators but by politicians, literally the legislature. Accreditation has been granted and withdrawn with the rise and fall of political parties. PSG has been in the middle of these battles but was fully accredited when my degree was granted.
The document from Australia is from the Department of Education with the official seal of the state of Victoria dated 17 December, 1993. It verifies the accreditation of Pacific College of Graduate Studies at the time both my degree and Dr. Baugh’s degree was granted. The document is signed by Jan Williamson, Assistant Director, Higher Education Coordination. It says:
The following is the text of a letter sent to Dr. Baugh from Dr. Wilson, who was president of Pacific College of Graduate Studies at the time. Since Dr. Baugh’s degree was being questioned at the time, that is the issue the letter addresses. My diploma displays the official seal of Pacific College of Graduate Studies and is signed by Dr. Wilson, dated December 10th, 1993.
December 1, 1995
Dr. Carl E. Baugh
508 S.W. Barnard
Glen Rose, Texas 76043
Dear Dr. Baugh,
This certifies that your degree of Master of Arts in Archaeology was awarded by Pacific College of Graduate Studies as representing the Luther Rice Seminary, LRS is fully accredited in the United States.
Your Doctor of Philosophy degree in Education was duly awarded by Pacific College of Graduate Studies. Your original dissertation was presented in the Fall of 1989, and your research in this field was continued and reported to our faculty through the Spring of 1994, as our records reflect. At the time of your continued approved research PCGS was accredited by the State of Victoria (Australia) as the attached official State document shows.
With all good wishes,
Your sincerely,
Clifford A. Wilson, B.A., M.A., B.D., M.R. Ed., Ph.D., President F.C.E.S., M.A.P.S., M.A.P.A.
Here you go.. Can you say Bogus, manufactured. The guy is a complete fraud, the school is a joke, cant even find it!!!!!!! Can you say Gullible!! You are the one decieved. Why dont you try looking for outside information? rather than the guys website or that of his buddies.
?) Carl Baugh is best known as a tireless proponent of the claim that human footprints appear alongside dinosaur tracks in the Paluxy Riverbed of Glen Rose, Texas. He has appeared on numerous Christian radio talkshows and was even touted as an "expert" on the 1996 NBC pseudoscience program, The Mysterious Origins of Man. He operates a small museum out of Glen Rose, Texas.
Baugh is a Baptist minister who claims to be an archeologist with a Ph.D. from the California Graduate School of Theology in Los Angeles. This school is unaccredited by the Western Assocation of Schools and Colleges, the primary body responsible for college and university accreditation in the region. It is also unaccredited by the state of California, although it is listed as "approved".
Baugh has also claimed Ph.D. degrees in education and anthropology from the Pacific College of Graduate Studies in Melbourne, Australia and the College of Advanced Education in Irving, Texas. According to Glen Kuban, who has thoroughly researched Baugh's Paluxy "man-track" claims and his credentials, neither Pacific College nor the College of Advanced Education is accredited or authorized by any regional or national body to grant degrees [4]. Pacific College is a small religious school run by Australian creationist Clifford Wilson, a close associate of Baugh's. The College of Advanced Education is a division of the International Baptist College, of which Baugh himself is president.
The school offers only correspondence education, so has no campus. It offers distance learning courses in biblical theology, ministry, cults, and many related subjects. It is unknown what credentials the professors have in these fields. The school offers B.D., B.Th., M.Div., M.Th., and doctoral degrees in Divinity and Theology; as an unaccredited school these have no official academic standing.
The university had no accreditation and offered doctorates for a lump sum payment.[5] The fees ranged up to 2,500-3,000 USD for a Doctor of Theological Studies degree. The school has an "administrative office," but no campus, so no classes are held on site.[6] There are no minimum educational requirements to apply other than two references, one academic and one church related.[7] Nonetheless, the university noted it "is in good standing with the American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions, Inc. (North Carolina) and is also a member of the Association of Christian Colleges and Theological Schools (Louisiana)," but for legal reasons makes it known "these memberships do NOT constitute accreditation by the U.S. Office of Education."[8] In the United States without recognition from the United States Department of Education or the Council for Higher Education Accreditation to approve the accreditation agency such accreditations are "bogus" to the academic community.[9]
While the school does not offer physical classes, only correspondence education, the web site lists faculty, but does not mention where the staff received their doctorates, what subjects they specialize in, and whether they are associate professors or have full professorships. Moreover, Baugh received a Ph.D. from Pacific International University in the Fall of 1989.
Shooting the messenger to try to destroy the message is the game being played by those who cannot deal with the message of dinosaur-human interaction proofs, which abound in the world, but which proofs are suppressed in unrighteousness by those whose agenda is to destroy all truth, all facts, all history, which shows that God's Word is true from the beginning.
They not only do not research for themselves, but they try to destroy all who do research for themselves. That is mind control of the worst sort; and the origin of that kind of mind control is the pit, and those caught in the snare of that kind of philosophy are determined to destroy all who can speak the truth and show the evidences of the lies being promoted by hard line evolutionists.
Dinosaurs In Literature, History and Art:
Denial Is Not Just A River In Egypt:
Suppressed Evidence of Human, Dinosaur and Other "Extinct" Fauna Interaction
in First Century Roman, Nilotic Art .... Page 56
PART 1
PART II Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
... "Denial is the refusal to acknowledge the existence or severity of unpleasant external realities or internal thoughts and feelings."(free Dictionary) Denial is the Lingua Franca of the human race and the state of denial is larger than the State of California.
When it comes to the issue of dinosaur and human co-existence, denial is also of course in operation. On the Christian side, some but not all have chosen to deny that dinosaurs even existed for fear that there existence might somehow discredit the Bible.
Materialists, rationalists, and/or Atheists similarly seek to discredit any evidence that proves or might tend to support the fact that dinosaurs and humans coexisted for fear that such proof might discredit evolutionary theory.
In this article s8int.com will once again, (as we’ve tried to do on more than 50 pages of this section), provide visual evidence that dinosaurs and humans did in fact coexist; this time in the art of the 1st century. In this article we will seek to show that not just dinosaurs but that other fauna said by science to have become extinct millions of years ago were still living up to at least the time of the 1st century A.D.
I was in the library this week poring over literally thousands of pages of early Roman art, including the art of 1st century Pompeii. I spent this time in the library after spending weeks trying to find more copies and higher resolution photos of the pieces being presented here online.
If and when I did find them, in the great majority of cases the representations of the art had been cropped so that the “offending details” had been eliminated. Other companion works were often shown in their entirety and often in higher resolution, but these were not.
Although these art masterpieces should be easy to find—they are not. As you look at the evidence s8int.com presents here, remember that the keepers of the evolutionary paradigm did everything overtly or subtlety possible to keep us from seeing them. That might tend to lend them additional credibility as evidence supporting interaction since there would be no need to surpress or deny information which does not threaten the paradigm.
The Nile Mosaic of Palestrina and the hunting mosaic from the “House of the Physician” are incredible works that should be well known to the public in their entirety, but if in fact they were well known, they would be very controversial with respect to the evolutionary timeline.
What we really wonder about is; with respect to the powers that be who conspire to keep this information out of the public eye, do they themselves manage to maintain the belief that dinosaurs and man never coexisted—or is it just the great unwashed true believers out there who have the pure religion? Is the power of denial really that strong?
What we do know is that whatever we do stumble upon here at s8int.com or whatever anyone else discovers is just the tip of the iceberg.
What Recorded History Tells Us About Dino's and Man "So God created the Great Dragons"
...Genesis 1:21 The Latin Vulgate; 5th Century
Everyone agrees that stories of world wide floods similar to the Biblical Flood of Noah exist in virtually every culture. The same can be said for stories, descriptions, legends etc. concerning
dragons.
Evolutionists have no trouble with either of these stories, because they feel that there is a good rationalization for them.(Image: More about the Palestrina Mosaic on Page 2 of this section and the Anasazi petroglyph on Page 3)
On the other hand, those of us who do believe the Bible, and thus would expect that man and dinosaur (or dragon) co-existed in the past, would expect; and find it strange if stories concerning the flood and dinosaurs did not abound in most cultures of the past. If dinosaur and man co-existed, where there was writing, art, literature and artifacts, among them should be indications of this interaction. Dinosaurs (or dragons) would not have been very discreet neighbors.
As it turns out, there is plenty of such evidence of interaction between man and dinosaur in history, art and archeology, as believers would expect. As late as the sixteeth and seventeenth centuries, many serious scholars were studying animal life, recording what they saw, and claiming personally to have seen dragons (dinosaurs).
Johann Johnston (1693-75), a doctor of medicine, published the celebrated: De Serpentibus et Draconibus in 1653. It featured many animals which are now extinct, all - according to the author,`carefully drawn from living models.
This in and of itself does not prove anything, however, their absence would be difficult to explain.
How many artifacts are needed to prove that man and dinosaur co-existed? It would seem to present a major difficulty for evolutionists to explain the representation in art or literature--or in artifacts of recognizable species of dinosaurs--- by ancient men who supposely had never seen one alive.
One could surmise that perhaps they had merely come across fossils, but surely, they would not have had the necessary skills to assemble them, and then to draw them or describe them as in life?
Modern scientists have themselves occasionally placed the wrong heads on skeletons or combined the bones of more than one specimen. This presents a problem if you believe in uniformism and evolution.
There is way too much "evidence" to place on one page, so deciding what proofs to represent is difficult. Textual evidence, like stories, accounts, newspaper articles and the like are plentiful, but perhaps not as persuasive as are physical evidences such as physical artifacts or pictures. There is an abundance of each, some very interesting ones on this page and the pages following.
The above quote from Jerome's Latin translation of the Bible,(Genesis 1:21) uses the word dragon, where others have used the word whales, or sea monsters.
The Hebrew word; Tanniyn is the same word that is variously translated as whales, sea monsters and jackals at various points in the new and old testaments.
It seems likely that in Jerome's time, great dragons did exist, so he could believe that that was a correct translation in Genesis and other places where the word is used. More modern translators, believing dragons to be a myth, but Genesis to be factual, have substituted other close meanings of the word--except where it obviously would not make sense contextually.
"A rather simple strategy to find Dinosaurs in history: Look for pictures, statues, carvings, or written descriptions. Attempt to associate names with them. Try to find the names in other places.
Try to obtain more descriptive material. Realize that, even as today, local names will vary. But, if you are genuinely interested, you will find dinosaurs everywhere! Europeans called them "Dragons," Chinese and Japanese called them "Lung," Scandinavians even had species names for them, including, apparently, for Tyrannosaurus Rex.
You will find the Apatosaurous/Diplodicus (they are likely the same) unmistakably described in the Bible book of Job 40 (Behemoth), as well as a large marine or carnivorous dinosaur in Job 41 (Leviathan).
Leviathan is mentioned several other times, but, ... not described again.
When you look at the problem of dinosaur extinction this way, you quickly learn, if you really want to, that large creatures with reptilian characteristics, some flying, some two-legged, some four-legged, some marine, appear in the art, sculpture, literature, chronicles, and legends of virtually every culture in world history. But none of them were called "Dinosaurs" because the word wasn't invented until the early 1800's!"..Tom Willis, CSA
A non Christian [Hindu] man has written books showing the devolution of man, which devolution is true from a biblical standpoint. The man, Michael Cremo, has done a lot of work showing Darwin is wrong. I have his book "Forbidden Archaelogy", and though my world view is biblical and all the evidence he presents is the same evidence Bible Believers have, our world philosophies cause us to see the evidence differently.
He says this, which is true:
Quote:
If the facts do not fit the favored theory, the facts, even an imposing array of them, must go.
A non Christian [Hindu] man has written books showing the devolution of man, which devolution is true from a biblical standpoint. The man, Michael Cremo, has done a lot of work showing Darwin is wrong. I have his book "Forbidden Archaelogy", and though my world view is biblical and all the evidence he presents is the same evidence Bible Believers have, our world philosophies cause us to see the evidence differently.
He says this, which is true:
Shooting the messenger to try to destroy the message is the game being played by those who cannot deal with the message of dinosaur-human interaction proofs, which abound in the world, but which proofs are suppressed in unrighteousness by those whose agenda is to destroy all truth, all facts, all history, which shows that God's Word is true from the beginning.
They not only do not research for themselves, but they try to destroy all who do research for themselves. That is mind control of the worst sort; and the origin of that kind of mind control is the pit, and those caught in the snare of that kind of philosophy are determined to destroy all who can speak the truth and show the evidences of the lies being promoted by hard line evolutionists.
Has it occurred to you that there are some people (not all) in the world who label themselves as honest Christians, but in reality use deceptions and false claims in order to feed on honest but gullible people who don't or can't tell the difference between what's real and what's not?
This thread is : Lots of Links to Artifacts Depicting Human and "Dinosaur"[Dragon/Behema] Interaction".
Shooting messengers is the only "debate"-/s- which the brainwashed evolutionists have done.
The links I am pasting on this thread are for examination of the facts of the existence of proofs, world wide, which debunk the lies spouted religiously by the worshipers of the lies of evolutionist dogma, who say there are no proofs. The proofs abound for those who are honestly wanting to research the facts, to go look at for themselves. Literature, Art & History Crawling with Dinosaurs
This thread is : Lots of Links to Artifacts Depicting Human and "Dinosaur"[Dragon/Behema] Interaction".
Shooting messengers is the only "debate"-/s- which the brainwashed evolutionists have done.
The links I am pasting on this thread are for examination of the facts of the existence of proofs, world wide, which debunk the lies spouted religiously by the worshipers of the lies of evolutionist dogma, who say there are no proofs. The proofs abound for those who are honestly wanting to research the facts, to go look at for themselves. Literature, Art & History Crawling with Dinosaurs
No they are discoveries by PROVEN FRAUDS> If you want the TRUTH, you are going to have to WAKE UP, get off the sites that are clearly fake and LOOK AT OTHERS, like what we have posted. THEN we can debate, if you are not willing to research what we post, then we all have nothing more to say to you.
This thread is : Lots of Links to Artifacts Depicting Human and "Dinosaur"[Dragon/Behema] Interaction".
That's fine, but it still leaves the question: Did Humans and Dinosaurs Actually Interact (co-exist)? Are you so wise and knowledgable that you are completely immune from error?
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