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Old 08-02-2009, 12:39 PM
 
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Expect the flock to pipe in any moment :

"He's GOD ! He can do anything he wants !"
Oh I know. Thats is all they can come up with. Lame..
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:05 PM
 
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As to the question posed in the title of your post, God chose a couple to raise the child because that's how he wants children raised. By a father and a mother.
Insert here the cries of "And that's why the GAYS can't marry and the GAYS shouldn't be allowed to adopt!! God hates the GAYS!!"
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:06 PM
 
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Well now this is going to be interesting, I have also heard that at the time that this child, Jesus was born,Mary and Joseph were not married and it wasn't until afterwards that they supposedly got married, I guess that would mean she had this child out of wedlock, but that's just one of the stories I've heard about this. Don't know how true that is.
You are correct, sir.

They were betrothed, but not yet married.
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:13 PM
 
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You are correct, sir.

They were betrothed, but not yet married.
Same thing, read a few posts back, in the time they were considered married.
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:22 PM
 
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Same thing, read a few posts back, in the time they were considered married.

To a point, yes---a betrothal was not a marriage...but was much more than just an engagement.
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:23 PM
 
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The Bible tells us that Mary and Joseph were a couple when Mary became pregnant even though she was a virgin. When you really think about this situation it raises some interesting questions. If Joseph really hadn't had sexual relations with Mary and then she informs him that she is pregnant wouldn't you think that Joseph would be a little upset and maybe even leave her? Also, why would God commit what appears to be adultery with a woman who already had a husband and then expect that man to raise this child as if he were his own? And what would any man think if his wife informed him that she was pregnant but that she hadn't been sleeping around and that it was actually God's baby so he shouldn't be upset about it?

People of faith don't question religion even though there are tons of contradictions in the Bible and things that do not make any logical sense.

All this will do is create some sort of flame war. Let them believe in whatever makes them feel good.
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:23 PM
 
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To a point, yes---a betrothal was not a marriage...but was much more than just an engagement.
Doesn't make the situation any better. He impregnated a woman, committed to another man.
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:27 PM
 
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Doesn't make the situation any better. He impregnated a woman, committed to another man.

So? Not like he had literal, physical relations with her.
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:31 PM
 
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So? Not like he had literal, physical relations with her.
Oh that's right, God doesn't have to follow his rules. He impregnated ( by whatever means) another mans woman. As in not his woman, but someones elses. Then telling Joe buddy to deal with it.
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:42 PM
 
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Hate to tell you this, but it is the same thing. Betrothal (also called espousal) is a formal state of engagement to be married. Historically betrothal was a formal contract, blessed or officiated by a religious authority.Betrothal was binding as marriage and a divorce was necessary to terminate a betrothal. Betrothed couples were regarded legally as husband and wife - even before their wedding and physical union. And God, impregnated a married woman, sex or not, it was not Josephs child. Cheating.
I'm aware of the conditions of betrothal. Nevertheless, they were not married at the time Jesus was conceived. I only mentioned the difference since you had pointed to the issue of Joseph and Mary perhaps having sex prior to their marriage. And you refered to him as her husband, which he was not. They could not lawfully have sex because they were not married. That's the difference between betrothal and marriage.

Everyone knows that Jesus had no earthly or temporal father, since Mary conceived via immaculate conception. We all recognize that Joseph was only a custodial father. Just as Mary was not really Jesus mother. She was a vessel who carried him, and actually both she and Joseph were created BY him and THROUGH him. Jesus existed before either Mary or Joseph were born.

If adultery were an issue here, whether Joseph and Mary were married or betrothed, or neither, is irrelevant anyway. Adultery in its fullest sense is described in Matthew 5, and it makes no provision as to marital status:
27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
God neither lusted after or had sexual relations with Mary. The Bible does not say that Joseph was not upset, nor does it say he did not question circumstances. The Bible tells us what Joseph's reaction was. Why question it? It appears to be a perfectly typical possibility. Joseph loved Mary. Why would he seek to drag the dirty laundry through the street? He adopted Jesus and raised him through childhood.

If you have this line of reasoning about the conception, than logically, you must then believe that a fertility doctor who implants an embryo in a woman is guilty of adultery, or a veterinary who inseminates an animal is guilty of bestiality. What if the fertility doctor is a woman? Would this be a case of lesbian adultery? So you see, your line of reasoning doesn't reach a logical conclusion.
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