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Old 08-11-2009, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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You tell me. I've heard people make the point on numerous occasions that because it occurs in nature it must be healthy and "natural".
If it occurs in nature, it's natural. Look up the definition of "natural"
As far as healthy goes, I doubt that the antelope that's being eaten by the lion would agree, but the lion would.
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Old 08-11-2009, 02:28 PM
 
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If it occurs in nature, it's natural. Look up the definition of "natural"
As far as healthy goes, I doubt that the antelope that's being eaten by the lion would agree, but the lion would.
k. fine. cannibalism is natural.

but not good. at least most civilized societies would agree.
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Old 08-11-2009, 02:32 PM
 
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Divorce isn't normal. The Holy Bible says it is adultery and divorcees shall be put to death. What say you to that?

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k. fine. cannibalism is natural.

but not good. at least most civilized societies would agree.
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Old 08-11-2009, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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recently scientists have done numerous studies over the years and have discovered that homosexual behavior peaks among overpopulated animal species. That being said, the research provides some evidence that homosexuality is natural among human beings as well and it may indicate that genetics is involved. Most scientists believe homosexuality is not a choice. (the desire to be attracted to someone of the same sex isn't a choice). The world human population is growing. Many say in the next hundred years the world will basically have too many people and will eventually lead to famine. Just think if ALL the gay people in the world were straight and they had children and their children had children and so on. Homosexuality may just be part of the natural process so I wouldn't use the bible to justify that someone is going to hell because they are gay. Its interesting because while the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, it also say we are suppose to own slaves and throw stones at people. But its just a case of people picking and choosing what they WANT to believe out of the Bible. Amazingly Jesus never mentioned homosexuality but talked about liars, cheaters and stealers. If homosexuality is this BIG SIN, Jesus should have been talking about it all the time. Thats because its not a sin if its not a choice and you can't choose to be attracted to men or women. Just like straight people have a natural attraction for members of the opposite sex. There is no choice in that matter. A straight male that sees a hot chic with big boobs in a bikini gets this funny feeling inside and things begin to happen to the lower part of his body. That had nothing to do with choice.
I've always thought this to be true. Otherwise, what's the point of homosexuality?

It'll take a hundred gay men just to un-do what the Duggars have done to the world population!
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:28 PM
 
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Huh? Being gay or straight is not a choice. Who you have sex with is a choice, but orientation is not.

Disagree? Then I have a question to ask...

When exactly did you choose to be straight?
You misread my post.

No, homosexuality is not a choice, as I've noted dozens of times on this forum already.

My post was sarcasm directed towards the bible-thumpers and other anti-gay crowd, stating that, according to them, we somehow must inherently "live by their rules".

Anything else you need clarified?
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:49 PM
 
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You tell me. I've heard people make the point on numerous occasions that because it occurs in nature it must be healthy and "natural".
Prove that it isn't healthy and natural.
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Old 08-11-2009, 05:01 PM
 
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The only part I disagree with about that is that *same sex intercourse* spreads AIDS easier in theory; however, that could be because they don't use a condom. Not sure about that??? Anyone know for sure.


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Prove that it isn't healthy and natural.
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Old 08-12-2009, 02:21 PM
 
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The only part I disagree with about that is that *same sex intercourse* spreads AIDS easier in theory; however, that could be because they don't use a condom. Not sure about that??? Anyone know for sure.
That is mere propeganda.

HIV is a blood pathogen, and can be spread through ANY form of intercourse, hetero- or homosexual intercourse (for both gays AND lesbians), deep kissing, etc. It can also be spread by direct contact of contaminated blood on an open wound or mucus membrane, such as a nurse, doctor, police officer, EMT, or fire fighter who gets splashed with contaminated blood in their mouths, nostrils, eyes, or on an open cut.

And yes, some gay men do indeed use a condom IF they participate in anal intercourse. Just as it is smart for any active hetero to use protection, it is just as wise for any active gay man as well.

Please artsy, and everyone, do yourselves, your family, your nieghbors a huge favor and research HIV/AID on any legitimate source, like the CDC and AMA sites, or any one of several AIDs Organization web sites.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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You misread my post.

No, homosexuality is not a choice, as I've noted dozens of times on this forum already.

My post was sarcasm directed towards the bible-thumpers and other anti-gay crowd, stating that, according to them, we somehow must inherently "live by their rules".

Anything else you need clarified?
Oooh touchy.

Nope.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:43 PM
 
Location: OKC
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The only part I disagree with about that is that *same sex intercourse* spreads AIDS easier in theory; however, that could be because they don't use a condom. Not sure about that??? Anyone know for sure.
Its actually pretty difficult to get HIV through heterosexual vaginal intercourse - unless one has lots of open wounds on their genitals. Its approximately 100 times harder to catch than hepititas.

If a healthy female has vaginal intercourse with an HIV infected man, her chance of catching HIV is around 1 in 500. One study put the risk as low as 1 in 100,000.

If a healthy male has vaginal intercourse with an HIV infected female, his chance of catching HIV is so small it is only theoretical and unmeasurable.
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