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Old 10-08-2020, 12:17 PM
 
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Every religion has its texts. Every religion also has wise guys who will interpret these texts for the ignorant.
Based on those interpretations each religion has divisions, some of them so stark, the deeply religious will kill each other over them.
So where is religion? In the texts or in how it is interpreted? And where is god in all this?
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Old 10-08-2020, 01:39 PM
 
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...So where is religion? In the texts or in how it is interpreted?
I'd say religion shows itself in the interpretation. Using Christianity as an example, you have Jesus' basic, straightforward spiritual message. But everything else that leeches and attaches to Christianity is a far different animal (one which I neither recognize or want a part of).

There's a huge contrast in Jesus' message (which we have available in text), and the contrasting monster of distorted interpretation, weighed down by human stupidity, arrogance, and manipulation.

The same might be said about Islam, going from beneficial teaching to people highjacking planes and killing thousands. You could find other examples with other groups and even systems. Given human nature, we can take anything healthy and beneficial and turn it into something dysfunction and even hazardous. We're experts at that.

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Old 10-08-2020, 03:03 PM
 
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I'd say religion shows itself in the interpretation. Using Christianity as an example, you have Jesus' basic, straightforward spiritual message. But everything else that leeches and attaches to Christianity is a far different animal (one which I neither recognize or want a part of).

There's a huge contrast in Jesus' message (which we have available in text), and the contrasting monster of distorted interpretation, weighed down by human stupidity, arrogance, and manipulation.

The same might be said about Islam, going from beneficial teaching to people highjacking planes and killing thousands. You could find other examples with other groups and even systems. Given human nature, we can take anything healthy and beneficial and turn it into something dysfunction and even hazardous. We're experts at that.
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Old 10-08-2020, 03:33 PM
 
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I'd say religion shows itself in the interpretation. Using Christianity as an example, you have Jesus' basic, straightforward spiritual message. But everything else that leeches and attaches to Christianity is a far different animal (one which I neither recognize or want a part of).

There's a huge contrast in Jesus' message (which we have available in text), and the contrasting monster of distorted interpretation, weighed down by human stupidity, arrogance, and manipulation.

The same might be said about Islam, going from beneficial teaching to people highjacking planes and killing thousands. You could find other examples with other groups and even systems. Given human nature, we can take anything healthy and beneficial and turn it into something dysfunction and even hazardous. We're experts at that.
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Old 10-08-2020, 04:46 PM
 
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In Christianity the Holy Spirit of the living God interprets the understanding of the bible for faith in God ...... The radically who kill for to appease God don't even know the true God, and this is out of character of God. ..... Then the divisions for religion where division are alien to the living God through Jesus, as it is the eternal demonic spirit of antichrist who hates Jesus which are the influence of all divisions ..... See in the eternal spiritual area of Heaven there are No divisions there. ..... See Churches and the world who have divisions against each other have a heart for antichrist spirit of the unseen spirit, which is a force that is active.
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Old 10-08-2020, 05:18 PM
 
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Though I don’t quite understand the question, but religion roots are in the primary fear. The fear of death.
One, that knows that he is immortal, needs no religion. Look at Buddha. He never claimed any religion.
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Old 10-08-2020, 06:24 PM
 
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Though I don’t quite understand the question, but religion roots are in the primary fear. The fear of death.
One, that knows that he is immortal, needs no religion. Look at Buddha. He never claimed any religion.
What makes Buddhism not religion?
Agree root of religion is fear, but not of death. We all know the only thing we can be absolutely sure of is death. and taxes. It is fear of uncertainty, the sheer uncertainty of life.
Buddha’s focus was happiness, removing dukkha. I am not sure he believed in immortality.
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Old 10-08-2020, 07:11 PM
 
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Buddhism is sometimes treated by some followers as a religion. If they are worshipping a dead man, sitting enrapt as monks meditate in a language (Pali) the adherent doesn't understand, if they are primarily involving themselves in rituals, rather than honest contemplation.

On the other hand, some Buddhists actually contemplate the teachings, see if the teachings are something they can incorporate into their lives to reduce their suffering or the suffering of others...well, I don't see that as "religion". I'm not sure that the word "philosophy" is quite right either, however.
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Old 10-08-2020, 07:48 PM
 
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Every religion has its texts. Every religion also has wise guys who will interpret these texts for the ignorant.
Based on those interpretations each religion has divisions, some of them so stark, the deeply religious will kill each other over them.
So where is religion? In the texts or in how it is interpreted? And where is god in all this?
It's not the text of the religion, it's the corrupt people who use religious textual interpretation for their own personal advantage to astray the masses and create divisions.
Lots and lots of politics is played all over the world, based on religion. Such religious political leaders almost never have any belief in God or religion. The simply use religion to misinterpret the text and misguide the people.

And such people will face justice.
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Old 10-08-2020, 08:25 PM
 
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Any way which proclaims itself to be the only way is a wrong way.
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