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I read Greek. You're wrong. But bottom line is that if you are determined to read it differently you will. The Bible simply does not allow for extra-marital sex--gay or hetero. But your opinion of the text is just an indication of whether or not you care to live by the Bible or not.
Nobody lives by the bible....If they did they would be incarcerated.
Nobody lives by the bible....If they did they would be incarcerated.
Maybe by the OT Mosaic Law, yes. You and others sem to have a lack of understanding of what the Bible teaches. I guess that's not asurprise since it's easier to attack a strawman argument.
I agree with wingnutt. Osteen is a joke. He emphasizes a health and wealth Gospel. He did an interview with Larry King where he would not say a Mormon is destined for Hell.
Seriously--he just doesn't preach the Gospel. Most of the time he only tells peoe what they want to hear. The fact that he got up the nerve to even say this about homosexuals is amazing for him.
Your comments make think you've probably never watched a single sermon of his or read a single one of his self-help books.
I most certainly ahve watched some of his shows, as well as Robertson and the Grahams as well.
I consider it Intell on the Enemy, when I can stomach it.
I see the same exact carp pushed by Osteen as the other Televangelists, merely packaged in bright wrapping paper and bows.
Maybe by the OT Mosaic Law, yes. You and others sem to have a lack of understanding of what the Bible teaches. I guess that's not asurprise since it's easier to attack a strawman argument.
Firstly, you own Christ has been quoted, from your own scriptures, stating that you are supposed to be following OT laws.
Secondly, I suggest another read. The NT isn't an innocent treatise on love-thy-neighbor as you seem to think it is.
While no Book of Leviticus, we still see examples of god- mandated violence.
Maybe by the OT Mosaic Law, yes. You and others sem to have a lack of understanding of what the Bible teaches. I guess that's not asurprise since it's easier to attack a strawman argument.
When you talk about "other" people not understanding the bible, do you mean everyone but yourself? Because if you'll take a little trip up to the Christianity forum, I think you'll find a lot of disagreement about what the bible means there among sincere devout believers. But anyway, congratulations on being the one person who was able to figure it all out.
Maybe by the OT Mosaic Law, yes. You and others sem to have a lack of understanding of what the Bible teaches. I guess that's not asurprise since it's easier to attack a strawman argument.
Actually I probably have a very good understanding of the bible having read it several times in my years as a Christian. and I certainly see a lot of cherry picking of the faithful...Discarding the verses that they do not like and lauding the ones they do while still claiming that the bible is the word of god and inerrant.
I'm not saying that disregarding some of the more vicious old laws is a bad thing. Many should be done away with all together, as they are more fit for ancient tribes rather than for people today.
I'm sure he would have no problem accepting Gays so long as they donated big to his "church".
There is probably a special place in Hell for televangelists right next to the crooked polititians adn mass murderers. This guy has a penthouse in hell right next to Hitler and Ted Kennedy waiting for him.
I read Greek. You're wrong. But bottom line is that if you are determined to read it differently you will. The Bible simply does not allow for extra-marital sex--gay or hetero. But your opinion of the text is just an indication of whether or not you care to live by the Bible or not.
It was written in Koine Greek (quite different from modern Greek), and it was written in a completely different culture 2000 years ago. Do you want to share what you understand about the prevailing schools of philosophical thought about nature at the time? Would you like to tell us what you know about the local fertility gods and goddesses and the types of worshipping practices that were common at the time?. What about cultural views of the time?
Of course the Bible allows for extramarital sex - for men at least. How can you ignore the concubines and slave girls, kidnapping and rape of virgin girls? But if you must insist on marriage, then fight for gay marriage if you care about gay people at all.
Should ALL women be condemned because SOME women 2 or 3 thousand years ago were temple prostitutes?
Should ALL homosexuals be condemned because 2 or 3 thousand years ago some men were male temple prostitutes?
Should ALL men today be condemned because some men commit rape?
The bottom line is, that if you are determined to read into it a condemnation of all homosexuals, you will.
Because if you'll take a little trip up to the Christianity forum, I think you'll find a lot of disagreement about what the bible means there among sincere devout believers. But anyway, congratulations on being the one person who was able to figure it all out.
WHAT???? Disagreement on the Christianity forum?
No way dude!!! Fer Real????
(BTW - I'M the only one who has it all figured out - I don't even KNOW this new guy )
It was written in Koine Greek (quite different from modern Greek), and it was written in a completely different culture 2000 years ago. Do you want to share what you understand about the prevailing schools of philosophical thought about nature at the time? Would you like to tell us what you know about the local fertility gods and goddesses and the types of worshipping practices that were common at the time?. What about cultural views of the time?
Of course the Bible allows for extramarital sex - for men at least. How can you ignore the concubines and slave girls, kidnapping and rape of virgin girls? But if you must insist on marriage, then fight for gay marriage if you care about gay people at all.
Should ALL women be condemned because SOME women 2 or 3 thousand years ago were temple prostitutes?
Should ALL homosexuals be condemned because 2 or 3 thousand years ago some men were male temple prostitutes?
Should ALL men today be condemned because some men commit rape?
The bottom line is, that if you are determined to read into it a condemnation of all homosexuals, you will.
Do you read koine Greek? I do. The NT text is clear - no extramarutal sex. In the Ot some kings had concubines but it wasn't endorsed by God as much as it was simply tolerated.
I'm sorry...you're just reading your own presuppositions into it if want to make the claim that hoosexuality is anywhere endorsed in the Bible.
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