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Old 11-10-2009, 06:33 AM
 
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Those laws were for the Jews (OT). The NT is for Christians. The only one of those laws mentioned in the NT is regarding homosexual sex (Romans 1).
I just had a revelation here. If the OT doesn't apply, how come churches use Malachi to justify tithing? I have used it for stewardship campaigns - guess now I have to look to the NT and quote the passage where it says give everything away or else you won't get into heaven.

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Old 11-10-2009, 06:37 AM
 
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Those laws were for the Jews (OT). The NT is for Christians. The only one of those laws mentioned in the NT is regarding homosexual sex (Romans 1).
In context, isn't Paul's first letter to the Romans specifically referring to the problem of converted Roman Christians who had reverted back to idolatrous worshipping of the local Roman pagan fertility gods?

Historically, some of the worshipping practices in places like Rome and Corinth at that time, involved ritual frenzied orgiastic sex in pagan temples where everyone was bonking everyone else regardless of gender, in honour of the fertility gods.

Where does Paul refer to a "law" against homosexuality in Romans 1? Plus, how does ritual same-sex sex, in the context of idolatrous worship, relate to homosexuals in general? Do you seriously think all these deconverted Christians Paul was referring to were actually homosexuals? It doesn't make sense to me to read it that way.
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Old 11-10-2009, 06:40 AM
 
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:31 AM
 
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I just had a revelation here. If the OT doesn't apply, how come churches use Malachi to justify tithing? I have used it for stewardship campaigns - guess now I have to look to the NT and quote the passage where it says give everything away or else you won't get into heaven.

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That's a misuse in most cases.

The principle applies that we should trust God--and Malachi is the only place where scripture tells us we SHOULD test God....but no, we are not required to tithe 10% as directed in the OT.

On the contrary, we should give much more if we can afford it. It's about means--and your heart before God.
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Old 11-10-2009, 10:26 AM
 
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Yes, those were the laws for the Jews in the OT.

Jesus summed up the law in, Love God & love others. Yes, I do do that.
Firstly, as noted above, your Rabbi Christ stated that the old laws where to be upheld, so Leviticus is suppsoed to apply to you folks as well.

Secodly, I would hardly call stoneing someone who has already been raped "love".
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Old 11-10-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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That's a misuse in most cases.

The principle applies that we should trust God--and Malachi is the only place where scripture tells us we SHOULD test God....but no, we are not required to tithe 10% as directed in the OT.

On the contrary, we should give much more if we can afford it. It's about means--and your heart before God.
There was just a news story bouncing around this forum about a church employee who was fired becasue she couldn't tithe, as the church required tithing.

Most RC churches I know of also require tithing as well as some Baptist churches I know of.

So, if not Malichi, what passage requires tithing...

Or even churches and clergy for that matter?
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Old 11-10-2009, 10:36 AM
 
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There was just a news story bouncing around this forum about a church employee who was fired becasue she couldn't tithe, as the church required tithing.

Most RC churches I know of also require tithing as well as some Baptist churches I know of.

So, if not Malichi, what passage requires tithing...

Or even churches and clergy for that matter?

It's usually a mis-teaching on the topic of tithe. Malachi is just one of the passages that's preached in most sermons on stewardship.

The general attitude of the NT is that it all belongs to God--and we are just caretakers. It all belongs to God.
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Old 11-10-2009, 11:32 AM
 
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In context, isn't Paul's first letter to the Romans specifically referring to the problem of converted Roman Christians who had reverted back to idolatrous worshipping of the local Roman pagan fertility gods?

Historically, some of the worshipping practices in places like Rome and Corinth at that time, involved ritual frenzied orgiastic sex in pagan temples where everyone was bonking everyone else regardless of gender, in honour of the fertility gods.

Where does Paul refer to a "law" against homosexuality in Romans 1? Plus, how does ritual same-sex sex, in the context of idolatrous worship, relate to homosexuals in general? Do you seriously think all these deconverted Christians Paul was referring to were actually homosexuals? It doesn't make sense to me to read it that way.
No, Paul does not refer to a "law" against homosexual sex. He does however, say it is wrong. When coupled with the OT Law, it's clear this is not God's plan for us.
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Old 11-10-2009, 12:28 PM
 
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If gays aren't god's best, then why did god make them so?

To help populate Catholic Church ministries?
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Old 11-10-2009, 12:33 PM
 
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Why does God make anyone that sins? My innate desire for women doesn't excuse me for adultery or sex outside of marriage.
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