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Isn't there a scientific saying that goes something like "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"?
The homosexual lifestyle sometimes includes such consequences as AIDS or other STDs, which may arrive in the body of a promiscuous homosexual, or one with a promiscuous partner, anytime.
From a religious point of view, the homosexual lifestyle is considered by many Christians to be sinful in the eyes of God. The consequences of such sinful behavior could include damning or at least slowing one's eternal progress beyond the grave, or in the arbitrary view of some Christians, to put it bluntly, spending eternity in hell (along with others who spent much of their unrepentant life engaged in seriously sinful behavior.)
Isn't there a scientific saying that goes something like "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"?
The homosexual lifestyle sometimes includes such consequences as AIDS or other STDs, which may arrive in the body of a promiscuous homosexual, or one with a promiscuous partner, anytime.
From a religious point of view, the homosexual lifestyle is considered by many Christians to be sinful in the eyes of God. The consequences of such sinful behavior could include damning or at least slowing one's eternal progress beyond the grave, or in the arbitrary view of some Christians, to put it bluntly, spending eternity in hell (along with others who spent much of their unrepentant life engaged in seriously sinful behavior.)
I'm seventy five years old and have been hearing people speak with authority about hell all my life. Even though I spent nearly forty years as a very active church member I still find it almost unbelievable when folks speak about hell. What kind of god would subject it's own creatures to eternal hell fire and brimstone for making mistakes?
The folks who wrote about Jesus didn't scribe a word for more than forty years after he died. It took them that long to make up the collection of bare faced lies which are contained in the new testament. PERIOD!!
Isn't there a scientific saying that goes something like "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"?
The homosexual lifestyle sometimes includes such consequences as AIDS or other STDs, which may arrive in the body of a promiscuous homosexual, or one with a promiscuous partner, anytime.
From a religious point of view, the homosexual lifestyle is considered by many Christians to be sinful in the eyes of God. The consequences of such sinful behavior could include damning or at least slowing one's eternal progress beyond the grave, or in the arbitrary view of some Christians, to put it bluntly, spending eternity in hell (along with others who spent much of their unrepentant life engaged in seriously sinful behavior.)
Whoa there....You say "The homosexual lifestyle sometimes includes such consequences as AIDS or other STDs, which may arrive in the body of a promiscuous homosexual, or one with a promiscuous partner, anytime.".......But the same statement can be worded this way and be just as true...."The heterosexual lifestyle sometimes includes such consequences as AIDS or other STDs, which may arrive in the body of a promiscuous heterosexual, or one with a promiscuous partner, anytime."
This is a pretty long thread, so apologies if this has been already mentioned:
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guess what I am really asking is, would these same Christians actually take a "converted" gay person serious? Would there still be some reservation and suspicion ESPECIALLY if the person still retains effeminate behavior (if they are a man)? After all the talk about gays being able to change, do they REALLY believe in their hearts of hearts such people actually change? Why or why not?
I've looked into this a bit. It seems that the people who go through this conversion are referred to (or refer to themselves as) "ex-gay". This seems to imply that they are not truley straight, or heterosexual. It could be that once you break the taboo of having sex with another man (if you are a man) you have crossed the Rubicon of sorts and can't really be considered truley straight? Or it could be something that has come out of the world of 12 step programs, where an alcoholic is always an alcoholic, even if he has been sober for years.
Another thing I notice is that the ex-gay movment is part of the evangelical/pentacostal tradition in Christianity, which has the conversion experience, of finding Jesus or being saved by Jesus, as an life changing, transformative experience. So, certainly people could go through this and subsequently repress or override their sexual orientation.
Yet another aspect is bisexuality. We tend too look at this as a black/white thing but the reality for some people is that sexuality is more fluid. So I can easily see how ex-gays who sucessfully eschew same sex sex and same-sex relations might be more bisexual, maybe more on the heterosexual side, or at least attracted or oriented to the opposite sex enough to have loving relationships, raise families, etc.
So, sure, no problem with the concept. People can decide they prefer heterosexual relationships and such, or they can go through a religous conversion experience that permits them to override their homosexual orientation. Too me it is just another facet of sexuality.
I'm seventy five years old and have been hearing people speak with authority about hell all my life. Even though I spent nearly forty years as a very active church member I still find it almost unbelievable when folks speak about hell. What kind of god would subject it's own creatures to eternal hell fire and brimstone for making mistakes?
The folks who wrote about Jesus didn't scribe a word for more than forty years after he died. It took them that long to make up the collection of bare faced lies which are contained in the new testament. PERIOD!!
As a Mormon I'm not one of those who is a big believer in hellfire and brimstone, we tend to think that almost everyone will eventually get to go to a kingdom of glory. But I firmly believe that there are consequences for our behavior choices during mortality, some of them possibly eternal.
I totally disagree with you though that such things as the Sermon on the Mount and other New Testament teachings of Jesus Christ are just "bare faced lies". You seem to be not only disgruntled about your experience as a Christian but possibly also angry? (We're off topic though...)
Whoa there....You say "The homosexual lifestyle sometimes includes such consequences as AIDS or other STDs, which may arrive in the body of a promiscuous homosexual, or one with a promiscuous partner, anytime.".......But the same statement can be worded this way and be just as true...."The heterosexual lifestyle sometimes includes such consequences as AIDS or other STDs, which may arrive in the body of a promiscuous heterosexual, or one with a promiscuous partner, anytime."
Yes, of course, but AIDS is more commonly a homosexual concern, and homosexuality is the topic of this discussion.
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I don't know what that has to do with the topic of discussion, but certainly people can be FORCED to do just about anything. When it comes to FORCING yourself to do something, usually there would have to be a very strong motivation to do so. (E.g. to save your or a loved one's life.) I personally can't imagine myself ever being self-motivated enough to force myself to "french kiss" anyone other than my wife.
I hope that helps you better understand whatever on earth it is that you are trying to better understand...
Indeed. People can also be forced to live a lie and pretend to be heteroes too, even if such relationships are loveless and detrimental to children.
Yes, of course, but AIDS is more commonly a homosexual concern, and homosexuality is the topic of this discussion.
Gays make up a fraction of the people infected with AIDs, a little known fact forgotten often by the antagonists in the "War on Gay", as are the millions of children infected, and dying, currently due to that disease.
I would HOPE you at least knew something of the disease, and realize it doesn't spontaniously bursts into being whenever two men touch each other intimatly.
Justamere10, you said, "to every action there is a reaction." A body can't have a reaction, after death. You seem to be spreading a lot of misinformation about AIDS, STDs and gay people. Are these the scare tactics you use on your followers?
Justamere10, you said, "to every action there is a reaction." A body can't have a reaction, after death. You seem to be spreading a lot of misinformation about AIDS, STDs and gay people. Are these the scare tactics you use on your followers?
The blame of the spread of AIDs to near epidemic proportions rests squarely opon the shoulders of those who refuse to educate themselves on the matter and purposely spread misinformation and empty propeganda, jsut as the poster you mention above has done.
Many of those same types of people consider AID's as a "punishment from God" as well.
So, not directed at you, of course, but as a general history lesson to those spreading disinformation, or merely refuse to educate themselves on the matter...
HIV entered this Nation in the 1960s (and possibly earlier, the first reported case was in 1969) and spread among our subcultures first like wildfire. It was first seen among drug users as people shared needles, NOT gays as some would claim. Gays also make up a tiny fraction of those currently infected globally, and lesbians are counted as one of the lowest risk groups.
At the time, gays were still heavily repressed and oppressed by those same types of people who carry out that agenda today, who spread disinformation, and are very likely to be heard thanking their god for HIV punishing those sinners. Homosexuals were simply a repressed subculture among Americans, driven there by the religious majority.
While subcultures tend to be distinctly different in their ideologies and activities, they do share a common bond in being marginalized by society. HIV was bound to jump from heteroes to gay drug users, just as it spread to other subcultures such as the porn industry, where sex became the primary vehicle of transmission. Once again the bible-thumpers revelled in that great gift from god to punish those evil fornicating porn stars, muttered while buying those films on the sly.
HIV/AIDs is not spread through only anal intercourse (ignoring for the moment the many straight couples who enjoy that persuit, gigiddy), it doesn't pop spontaniously into existance when a guy's Little Buddy touches another man, and it certainly isn't a gift from Jehovah to the bible-thumpers in this Nation.
It is simply a blood pathogen, a nasty wee beastie spread in the same menner as any other blood pathogen, through needle sticks, passed onto babies as they are born, blood transfusions, blood splashed into the eyes, infected blood passing through a cut of an uninfected person, etc. There are cases of hetero emergency workers and LEOs unknowingly becoming infected and then infecting their spouses, and children becoming infected through transfusions and other, non-sexual ways. Yay, God.
And yes, it IS spread through sex, but not through "gay sex" exclusively, but through ANY sexual contact, including heteroes.
ATM, the main demographic is that of black men (the primary demographic in US prisons, "incidentally" for the PC crowd). This demographic was the next in line as the spread of the disease was lessened by targeted education. Unfortunatly, such measures are generally targeted at only the prime demographic. Eventually, as education is directed at young black men, the current risk group, we will see hispanic men as the next prime demographic where the process will be repeated again, and again, until the spread of the disease is eliminated from this country.
Do yourself, your family, this Nation the greatest of services, educate yourselves to protect you and yours. And please, if the source once mentions "punishment" and "god" anywhere on the site, you're probrably in the wrong place.
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