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Old 05-06-2023, 02:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel View Post
we are already spirit.
spirit before incarnation. before inhabiting a physical body.
spirit during incarnation. while inhabiting a physical body.
spirit after incarnation. after physical body "dies" and spirit leaves the physical body.


unborn. uncreated.
always was. always will be.

no reproduction. at all.
reproduction is birth life death .

spirit does not die.
spirit is not born.


a materialist physical biological model is irrelevant
to spirit because spirit is not physical and has no form or biology.
I understand that is your belief, Tzaph because your God (or whatever) is dead (static). It is not mine. My God is living and dynamic only His character is unchanging.
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Old 05-06-2023, 02:33 PM
 
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I understand that is your belief, Tzaph because your God (or whatever) is dead (static). It is not mine. My God is living and dynamic only His character is unchanging.
What dies is not Divinity. Tzaph, and me and millions, believe in an Existence that is unborn and uncreated and has no beginning so has no end. And we also believe the same existence is everywhere, everything, in us, and in you. We are this existence, not this body and mind which will die, because it was born. Everything born dies.
So you believe in a different god?
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Old 05-06-2023, 02:46 PM
 
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What dies is not Divinity. Tzaph, and me and millions, believe in an Existence that is unborn and uncreated and has no beginning so has no end. And we also believe the same existence is everywhere, everything, in us, and in you. We are this existence, not this body and mind which will die, because it was born. Everything born dies.
So you believe in a different god?
Your concept of eternity is flawed. Eternal life does not end. God does NOT die, but He does live and grow and we are the proof of it. The utter irrationality of your view of the Oneness is beyond my capabilities to either correct or relate to.
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Old 05-06-2023, 02:58 PM
 
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Your concept of eternity is flawed. Eternal life does not end. God does NOT die, but He does live and grow and we are the proof of it. The utter irrationality of your view of the Oneness is beyond my capabilities to either correct or relate to.
While we are capable of directly experiencing what we truly are, any attempt by mind to intellectualize and then convey it is always FUBAR. It's colored by its limited nature. The finite cannot grasp the Infinite.
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Old 05-06-2023, 02:59 PM
 
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Your concept of eternity is flawed. Eternal life does not end. God does NOT die, but He does live and grow and we are the proof of it. The utter irrationality of your view of the Oneness is beyond my capabilities to either correct or relate to.
because your view is entrenched in physicality and biology.

divinity is neither. spirit is neither.
no biology, no physicality, no form.


eternity goes in both directions.
if something has a beginning, then it has an end.
if it has no end then it has no beginning.

simple logic.
just like a number line.
only someone with a very incomplete and flawed understanding of basic math would say numbers go on forever in one direction, but not in the other direction.

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Old 05-06-2023, 07:14 PM
 
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because your view is entrenched in physicality and biology.

divinity is neither. spirit is neither.
no biology, no physicality, no form.


eternity goes in both directions.
if something has a beginning, then it has an end.
if it has no end then it has no beginning.

simple logic.
just like a number line.
only someone with a very incomplete and flawed understanding of basic math would say numbers go on forever in one direction, but not in the other direction.
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha! Flawed understanding of math!!! That is my strong suit and always has been!! What you posit as "simple logic" is a nonsequitur born of the ignorance of the artificial nature of mathematics and the artificial metric spaces upon which it is based. The entire concept of negativity (going back in time) is an artifice requiring the use of imaginary numbers. Please don't embarrass yourself by challenging me with math, Tzaph!!
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Old 05-07-2023, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What dies is not Divinity. Tzaph, and me and millions, believe in an Existence that is unborn and uncreated and has no beginning so has no end. And we also believe the same existence is everywhere, everything, in us, and in you. We are this existence, not this body and mind which will die, because it was born. Everything born dies.
So you believe in a different god?
You have described our difference.

Although I do believe God is within me, I am separate from The Creator.

I believe my God is separate and distinct from me.


I believe I was created by God, for His good pleasure.
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Old 05-07-2023, 08:29 AM
 
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my understanding is that the Creator is both immanent (within me, in here) and transcendent (out there)

and since God is within a person (every person) then they are never separate from the Creator.
a person may choose to ignore or deny this, but a person can not be separate from that which is within them.
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Old 05-07-2023, 08:31 AM
 
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You have described our difference.
Although I do believe God is within me, I am separate from The Creator.
I believe my God is separate and distinct from me.
I believe I was created by God, for His good pleasure.
bold above raises this question:
how can someone be separate from that which is within them?

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Old 05-07-2023, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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bold above raises this question:
how can someone be separate from that which is within them?
The essence of me is separate from the Creator's Spirit.

I don't believe God's Spirit that dwells within me although separate and distinct, is tangible, or terrestrial.
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