What do christians consider to be the world's moral standards? (church, agnostic)
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In another thread someone was saying that by biblical standards most people are immoral, but by the world's standards most people are good. What do christians consider to be the moral standard that the world judges people?
I'm not entirely comfortable with what that person said, but if I were to guess "the world" is seen as valuing.
Being uninhibited
Making oneself the "life of the party."
Having very high self-confidence
Being witty and amusing
Making lots of money
Using that money to buy expensive things for yourself and your loved ones
Supporting your friends in whatever they do
In principle, particularly Christian principle, a person could do all these things and be evil. Imagine some Third World dictator who drinks to excess, declares himself Emperor of the Hemisphere, is charming at a party, makes great jokes, embezzles money which he shares with cronies, and supports his friends love of torturing anyone who uses a cell-phone in the movie theater. That would fit the above things.
I'm not entirely comfortable with what that person said, but if I were to guess "the world" is seen as valuing.
Being uninhibited
Making oneself the "life of the party."
Having very high self-confidence
Being witty and amusing
Making lots of money
Using that money to buy expensive things for yourself and your loved ones
Supporting your friends in whatever they do
In principle, particularly Christian principle, a person could do all these things and be evil. Imagine some Third World dictator who drinks to excess, declares himself Emperor of the Hemisphere, is charming at a party, makes great jokes, embezzles money which he shares with cronies, and supports his friends love of torturing anyone who uses a cell-phone in the movie theater. That would fit the above things.
Quite so, but one could also do all those things and not be what I would call bad. They are, in themselves, neutral. I would look askance, though at a religion that said there was something wrong with them per se because they were 'worldly'. At the same time, being what the world might admire does not neccesarily commend them to me.
I have had tastes of high self- confidence and unihibitedness and that's ok so long at it is tempered with a bit of willingness to see the other viewpoint. I have a deep dislike of the bod with the 'courage of their convictions' of the 'I don't care what you say, I still think I'm right' type - whether those convictions are worldly or other - worldly.
In another thread someone was saying that by biblical standards most people are immoral, but by the world's standards most people are good. What do christians consider to be the moral standard that the world judges people?
Maybe I am not underestanding this question correctly, but I don't think there can be any absolute moral standards that the entire world would agree on. Morals are a societal construct and differ from group to group.
With that said, I can't really answer the question because 1. I'm not a christian, and 2. from what I've seen, there is no total agreement even among various christians. For example, some feel that drinking alcohol and dancing are bad, while others are perfectly ok with those things.
Quite so, but one could also do all those things and not be what I would call bad. They are, in themselves, neutral. I would look askance, though at a religion that said there was something wrong with them per se because they were 'worldly'. At the same time, being what the world might admire does not neccesarily commend them to me.
I have had tastes of high self- confidence and unihibitedness and that's ok so long at it is tempered with a bit of willingness to see the other viewpoint. I have a deep dislike of the bod with the 'courage of their convictions' of the 'I don't care what you say, I still think I'm right' type - whether those convictions are worldly or other - worldly.
It was something of a rough draft and I wouldn't say everything in the list was necessarily bad things in all cases, but I think by "the world considers good that aren't" Christians tend to mean things like that. Although maybe more like pride, consumerism, status-seeking, wanting to be adored by the masses, etc.
Although of the original list I do think that inhibitions and guilt are good and/or necessary things so lacking them is bad. I'm pretty sure I'd think this even if I had no religion. If a person had no inhibitions I think they would do hurtful or foolish things quite often. If a person had no guilt they might not "make up" for the wrongs they do or at least be less likely to do so.
In another thread someone was saying that by biblical standards most people are immoral, but by the world's standards most people are good. What do christians consider to be the moral standard that the world judges people?
When I read this kind of thing, it's generally a way of saying "the morals I've decided apply to me personal are better that those that other people choose because I claim mine come from something supernatural". Doesn't matter if the other person is religious, and it ignores the problem that everyone has to interpret and apply morals to everyday situations using their own judgment. It's a thinly veiled way of communicating "those other people don't follow what WE believe" to people who have similar beliefs and adds an air of "mine are better because God says so" at the same time.
The "worldly" standards are typically things opposed by conservative Christians - gay rights, abortion, separation of church and state, dancing, abolition of slavery, ending prohibition, women's suffrage, and so on. Or at least the latter ones would be they would be if the so called "timeless Biblical standards" were actually timeless instead of just another groups evolving view of the world around them.
The World's standards are evil..Jesus states that in the bible..he came to save his children from this world..Christians are in the world, but not of the world
The World's standards are evil..Jesus states that in the bible..he came to save his children from this world..Christians are in the world, but not of the world
What do you consider to be the standards of the world then?
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