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Old 06-29-2009, 09:57 AM
 
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Your preachers and your pastors have done you all an injustice to teach you ANYTHING against what the Torah stated. The Messiah taught it and upheld it perfectly, as did HIS Talmadim (apostles). To say otherwise is a bold faced lie. The drivel others like to twist regarding the words of Rav Shaul (Paul) has to do with being justified by the law (which means you do NOT gain salvation via the keeping of the commandments) you get it through ACTIVE faith in the one who sent the Messiah (read John 5:24 sometime) IF you believe in the ONE who sent ME you have eternal and will NOT fall unto judgement). HE never came to do away with the Torah, HE came to show us how to LIVE it. It is NOT a burden, HE said so. Why christianity, a man made relgion has sought to eliminate that which the Messiah came here to uphold is a complete gobsmacking mystery to me. It's all there written for us to see, yet we wish to "do away" with it because it's inconvenient. Following HIS commandments is a sign to HIM you are obdient and it will bring blessings upon you. HE said so, so it should not come as some news flash. Rev:22 states "If you love me you will do my commandments".
[SIZE=1]2By this we know that we love the children of Elohim, when we love Elohim and guard His commandments. 3For this is the love for Elohim, that we guard His commandments, and His commands are not heavy, [/SIZE]
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:14 PM
 
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Hey LookinForMayberry,

Do you mean the question is moot? Moot means irrelevant, mute means quiet or silent.
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Old 06-29-2009, 02:24 PM
 
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God changed his mind, because society wanted it that way.
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Old 06-29-2009, 02:26 PM
 
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You got THAT part right.
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Old 11-12-2014, 02:58 AM
 
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Perspective. The LORD of the Old Testament, the Son of God in the New Testament and the Angel of the LORD of the Quran are three perspectives of the Holy Ghost, the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.
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Old 11-12-2014, 08:26 AM
 
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I have a link to a website that may help with this..Introdcution to the New and Old Testaments
I'll tell you truly, having a site with "Introdcution" in the title doesn't inspire confidence or the desire to check it out.
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Old 11-12-2014, 08:32 AM
 
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The difference between the OT and the NT is that the OT can be seen as the development over a long period of time of a reasonably social orientation of perception of the nature of God from very primitive anthropomorphism through some seriously violent bronze age Middle Eastern views to Micah's assertion of what God requires of us. The NT is primarily a (somewhat legendary) presentation of the character and ministry of Jesus and the development of the faith system that was based on that against the background of the faith system that was in place in the ethnic group to which Jesus belonged.
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Old 11-12-2014, 09:40 AM
 
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There have been a number of posts on various threads when questions have come up about how people should interpret the OT versus the NT. I don't think there's a clear consensus even among believers. A few of us have mentioned how there's so much violence in the OT and how it appears that Christians are being instructed to stone people to death for working on the sabbath or being disrespectful to their parents etc. I don't think that's a misinterpretation, it's stated quite clearly. Of course people don't really stone people today (except in the Middle East) so it's clear that there are some parts of the Bible that people don't follow anymore. Is this because the NT has outdated these ideas with a more enlightened point of view? And if you agree that there's certain parts of the Bible that people don't have to follow anymore, which parts are they and how would you know? Also, if this is true then isn't the Bible contradicting itself?

The old testament is all about some people's beliefs of the ancient times. The new testament is about people's beliefs of the later times. The two beliefs are different. Paul of the new testament kept trying to tell that to people, he kept saying that Jesus brought new beliefs and that it's time to stop believing the old beliefs.

The merging of the old testament and the new testament was created later, after Paul. It happened after some people (spiritual leaders) got together and decided to pick and choose some of the existing spiritual books and to put them into one collection called the Bible.

There were two gatherings and in one gathering, one group of these leaders took some of the books and called it the Bible. In the second gathering, the group of other leaders said that the first ones were wrong in some cases, so they changed which books belonged in the Bible.

Christians don't really think about this and how it happened. They just look at the Bible, assume that all the books belong to one religion and try to link the two different beliefs into one.

There are contradictions in beliefs because people believe different things in different times.

People used to be more barbaric (during the old testament time), so they created an image of the Barbaric God, a king who could do anything he wanted, even if it was wrong, but no one questions the king... people were used to that idea.

Later, (in the new testament times) people's view of life changed, people became more civilized and so the image of God changed from a harsh king to a friend or a teacher and instead of god's dictatorship, the focus became more on god being fair and just.

The beliefs changed when the culture changed. Beliefs adapt to the culture over time.


But if one were to believe that both groups of books belong to one religion, then one should realize that God is teaching people that right and wrong is relative and depends on when you live. So in the old testament, avenging yourself and killing another was approved by God. In the new testament it's a no-no. In the old testament, divorcing was allowed by God. In the new testament it's a no-no. Turns out, the act itself is not just good and bad, but it becomes good or bad depending on whether you live in the old testament times or the new testament times.
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