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03-13-2010, 01:10 PM
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Just curious.
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03-13-2010, 01:28 PM
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No. Since all morality is based on human reason.
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03-13-2010, 03:10 PM
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How about the Christian morality which condemns homosexuality? One cannot arrive at that using reason. Quite the opposite.
Earlier forms of Christianity justified slavery. Reason dictates otherwise.
Christian morality dictates that we not "take the Lord's name in vain." I'd tell you what my reason leads me to say about that, but it would be censored.
And so on...
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03-14-2010, 07:13 AM
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Just curious.
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I will be quite happy to answer...just as soon as you explain how it would be possible to have any basis for any morality in the absence of a transcendent eternal creator. |
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03-14-2010, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tigetmax24
I will be quite happy to answer...just as soon as you explain how it would be possible to have any basis for any morality in the absence of a transcendent eternal creator.
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Surely you must understand that there are many basis of morality that are independent of a transcendent eternal creator. Religious absolutism is only one of many forms of ethics. Common sense and logic can lead you to others. Read about utilitarianism or anything by Ayn Rand to find some examples of non-religious morality. |
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03-15-2010, 08:07 AM
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I will be quite happy to answer...just as soon as you explain how it would be possible to have any basis for any morality in the absence of a transcendent eternal creator.
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Maybe you could explain how behaving in a way not to be punished by someone more powerful is a form of morality at all. There's no concept of right and wrong, just "I'll do whatever it takes not to get spanked no matter what it does to other people". Someone with that kind of "morality" shouldn't be throwing stones at others. |
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03-15-2010, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by tigetmax24
I will be quite happy to answer...just as soon as you explain how it would be possible to have any basis for any morality in the absence of a transcendent eternal creator.
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Because I want one.
Next? |
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03-15-2010, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by tigetmax24
I will be quite happy to answer...just as soon as you explain how it would be possible to have any basis for any morality in the absence of a transcendent eternal creator.
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The same way it was possible for me to have poached eggs on an english muffin this morning. |
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03-15-2010, 04:49 PM
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Is it possible for all the "content-based" aversion to specified Christian morals to be set aside to address tigetmax's GENERIC question about the existence of a basis for the concept of morality AT ALL. Admittedly, ALL of the content of morality is arrived at by humans (hopefully using reason and knowledge) . . . but if there is NO BASIS for expecting there to be any such concept to apply to our existence . . . it is ALL MOOT. ANY of the bases that do not try to discern a "purpose" (raison d'etre) for our very existence itself are self-defeating speculation. IF there is NO PURPOSE for us to exist . . . NOTHING we do matters one whit. Accidents have no purpose . . . and whether they continue to procreate or destroy themselves is completely irrelevant and ARBITRARY. THAT is tigetmax's point, I believe.
ALL the other arguments and bases are consensus-based and to those of us who see morality as important to human existence . . . pointless without a purpose for human life. This is why we believe in a purposeful Creation and concern ourselves with morality. If we are wrong and there actually is no purpose . . . morality becomes irrelevant. The conundrum is discerning the purpose and testing moral precepts against that purpose. That which aids the achievement of our purpose is good (moral) . . . that which harms the achievement of our purpose is evil (immoral). Specifying THAT . . . now there's the rub!!!
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03-15-2010, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tigetmax24
I will be quite happy to answer...just as soon as you explain how it would be possible to have any basis for any morality in the absence of a transcendent eternal creator.
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Actually, it is quite easy. What is morality other than a code of conduct and as social animals such a code is required so that we can function in a highly cooperative society. For every social rule (morality) we can identify how that rule advances the functioning of the greater society.
I believe that it is your turn. |
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