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Old 04-07-2010, 01:22 PM
 
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The verse in question has to do with God only period.

Jesus hoped that one of the thief's were His ransom, but as the verse states:"None [of them] can by any means redeem his brother", save God alone!

"To think" is within your ability to reason, but have no understanding of God's reasoning.

Separation is similar to your children becoming their own individuals, apart from you, and into their own world of circumstances.

If you, who brought them into this world, would not sacrifice yourself if one of your children were in danger of loosing their life?

There in is the love of God.

Blessings, AJ
Except that Gods cannot die and 3 days of R & R do not constitute death.

If nothing is given up then there is no sacrifice.
To think that God is uncivilized enough to want, need or accept a blood sacrifice is quite droll.

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DL
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:30 PM
 
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"The wickedness of the wicked will be on himself (God's rule) unless God says so (God breaks it)."

That is what you said. If that's not the case why did you say it?
If and when God does say so then He will have broken His rule.

He has yet to do so.

let me help you though.

Depending on how you perceive things, the O t is full of examples of God breaking His rule of though shalt not kill. Some see His murder of the innocent as just good old justice. It even shows God repenting for missing the mark in man's creation. Hmm. A little mistake fixed with genocide. Another sin of high order by the sinless God. Hmm.

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DL
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Old 04-08-2010, 08:58 PM
 
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Except that Gods cannot die and 3 days of R & R do not constitute death.

If nothing is given up then there is no sacrifice.
To think that God is uncivilized enough to want, need or accept a blood sacrifice is quite droll.

Regards
DL
God........God and not Gods, for there is but one God,(singular) that is if one's belief is in the one Creator God, and the One God never dies.

Now, if a body is prepared, and the Spirit of the One God inhabits that body, as God, then the only thing that that body can do is die.

In the bible it states:Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus, as God could only have the power, the might to overcome the conditions of which God had placed mankind into.

Of which He did, as God, took the sins (meaning the conditions by which mankind was able to sin by) and took its power away.

Internal death no longer holds, but is done away with.

Apart from God, there is absolutely no other hope!

Blessings, AJ
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Old 04-09-2010, 07:11 AM
 
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God........God and not Gods, for there is but one God,(singular) that is if one's belief is in the one Creator God, and the One God never dies.

Now, if a body is prepared, and the Spirit of the One God inhabits that body, as God, then the only thing that that body can do is die.

In the bible it states:Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus, as God could only have the power, the might to overcome the conditions of which God had placed mankind into.

Of which He did, as God, took the sins (meaning the conditions by which mankind was able to sin by) and took its power away.

Internal death no longer holds, but is done away with.

Apart from God, there is absolutely no other hope!

Blessings, AJ
Google virgin birth and see where Christianity plagiarized the notion from.

BTW, virgins cannot give birth. They need sperm but if you will bypass all natural requirements with miracles then you will believe in talking animals and water walking and if you do, go away.

I have no time for children who have yet to grow up.

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DL
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Old 04-09-2010, 07:20 AM
 
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Default Jesus has no right to forgive.

Jesus had and has no right to forgive sin that is directed toward another individual.
Only the individual has any right to forgive.
If I sin against you, you are the one to forgive. Not some other entity who has not been wronged.
To forgive is to shed the emotions of betrayal from ones self.
For some other to forgive is not shedding this load.
To allow some other to forgive is to condemn ourselves to forever carry this load.
Jesus, if his forgiveness is to be believed, condemns us to hardship and this is why God rejected such a sacrifice.
For us to forgive cleanses our souls. For Jesus to usurp this duty that is ours, dirties us as well as justice.
That is why God prefers justice to sacrifice from some third party.

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DL
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:12 AM
 
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Google virgin birth and see where Christianity plagiarized the notion from.

BTW, virgins cannot give birth. They need sperm but if you will bypass all natural requirements with miracles then you will believe in talking animals and water walking and if you do, go away.

I have no time for children who have yet to grow up.

Regards
DL
A virgin can conceive, but when it happens in nature the female will produce a female offspring. It is very rare in humans but does happen. In the wild some species will have this happen very frequently.

Jesus is the son of God and received his Y chromosome from his father God. Causing something that cannot happen in nature to happen supernaturally.

It is not fiction if it really happened and belief that it happened is based on our faith in the witnesses to the events in the bible. This is not based on ignorance or being naive.
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:28 AM
 
Location: PA
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Jesus had and has no right to forgive sin that is directed toward another individual.
Only the individual has any right to forgive.
If I sin against you, you are the one to forgive. Not some other entity who has not been wronged.
To forgive is to shed the emotions of betrayal from ones self.
For some other to forgive is not shedding this load.
To allow some other to forgive is to condemn ourselves to forever carry this load.
Jesus, if his forgiveness is to be believed, condemns us to hardship and this is why God rejected such a sacrifice.
For us to forgive cleanses our souls. For Jesus to usurp this duty that is ours, dirties us as well as justice.
That is why God prefers justice to sacrifice from some third party.

Regards
DL
All sin is against God. Since Jesus is God all sin is against him. Man was to give a blood animal sacrifice to attone for his own sin to God. But this was temporary and for the sin being attoned for. Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice so that when we come to Jesus we do not have to bring a blood sacrifice to cover our sin, he has done it. The only requirement for us is to accept what Jesus did on the cross as being sufficient to cover our sins. Since it is sufficient to cover all sins for the whole world in God's eyes, it is sufficient for us so long as we see it as sufficient. Since Jesus is God and since he attoned for our sin he has made the way to unify God (himself) and man.

1. Before sin
Man(Adam)--->----->Jesus (God)
2. After sin:
Man--->Sin-X-Jesus (God)
3. Before Jesus came:
Man(all people)--->Sin is covered by blood sacrifice of lamb--->Jesus (God)
4. After Jesus died on the cross:
Man<---Sin is covered by Jesus' blood sacrifice on the cross<---Jesus (God)

In senario 4. all that is left for man is to accept the love of God, since Jesus has done all that is required to cover our sin. Jesus(God) cannot forgive our sin unless we ask for that forgiveness.
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:45 AM
 
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Except that Gods cannot die and 3 days of R & R do not constitute death.

If nothing is given up then there is no sacrifice.
To think that God is uncivilized enough to want, need or accept a blood sacrifice is quite droll.

Regards
DL
God is spirit and spirits cannot die they are eternal.

Jesus was human and yet God. His human body died like all human bodies can do, yet his Spirit which is God went into the grave and into the depths of the earth or sheol.

His blood was given as the sacrifice. When Jesus rose from the dead, he had no blood. He is life, so he made his human body to live again.

When Thomas did not believe that Jesus was alive, he said unless he put his finger into the holes where the nails went or thrust his hand into his side where the spear went then he would not believe. When Jesus showed himself to Thomas he said behold my hands and my side, thrust in you hands and see. So, Jesus had open woulds and the marks of the crucifiction, but no blood to come out.

So, Jesus blood was given as an atonement. It is written that "the life is in the blood". So, Jesus gave his life through his blood for the atonement. It is written, that "22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission." (Hebrews 9:22) So, by blood can there be a cleaning and a shedding of blood is required for a remission of sin!
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:56 AM
 
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Death happens when no oxygen can get to the brain. If we drown, the water prevents oxygen from getting into our lungs, into our blood and to our brain. When we die of Smoke inhallation, the smoke does the same thing. When we die of being decapitated, the lungs can no longer supply oxygenated blood to the brain because of the separation. If our heart stops, any of the oxygen rich blood cannot get to the brain. So all death is the lack of oxygen to the brain and then the brain cells begin to cease to operate after depleating thier resources. Once the brain ceases, there is no known method of reviving the brain to begin functioning again. We can restart a heart, but if not done in time the body will continue to live, but the brain will be dead.

Jesus was dead in the grave, since he had no blood. How did he revive? Through the power of God alone.
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Old 04-09-2010, 01:07 PM
 
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Death happens when no oxygen can get to the brain. If we drown, the water prevents oxygen from getting into our lungs, into our blood and to our brain. When we die of Smoke inhallation, the smoke does the same thing. When we die of being decapitated, the lungs can no longer supply oxygenated blood to the brain because of the separation. If our heart stops, any of the oxygen rich blood cannot get to the brain. So all death is the lack of oxygen to the brain and then the brain cells begin to cease to operate after depleating thier resources. Once the brain ceases, there is no known method of reviving the brain to begin functioning again. We can restart a heart, but if not done in time the body will continue to live, but the brain will be dead.

Jesus was dead in the grave, since he had no blood. How did he revive? Through the power of God alone.
I would respond but I am up to here today with people who idol worship a book and believe in a miracle working absentee super God who creates talking animals and water walks and must use a woman to reproduce himself so that he can sacrifice himself to himself.

Shove your delusion.

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DL
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