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I believe certainly about the afterlife; that when man dies, he will be transmitted or born into the world of souls or the afterlife when and where he will live with his spirit not with his material body.
1- If he is devoted to God alone without associate and does righteous work, --> then he will go the temporary Paradise: the Paradise of Abode: which is the ethereal layer nearest to the earth. There he will live as a spiritual or ethereal soul till Doomsday and Judgment Day, then will go after the Judgment to the Paradise of Eternity and Prosperity.
2- If he is devoted to God, but committed many sins during his Worldly life --> then he will stay on Earth until his punishment is fulfilled then will go to the Paradise of Abode like the above one in paragraph 1.
3- If he is idolater, atheist or one associating some other being [whether Jesus, Ali or Bar Yohaya] or some object with God --> then he will stay on Earth (suffering various kinds of punishment) until Judgment Day, and then will go to Hell without judgment, to have his everlasting punishment there.
<http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/index.htm#What_Is_Death_>
Quite so. I noticed with the above posts again and again 'believe', 'believe', 'believe'
What one believes is of no value at all. What the evidence is for that belief is of value. To recite a bunch of unsupported theology is of no use whatsoever other than, as you say, shoving one's beliefs at others.
What is more useful is looking at the evidence. Atheism will follow the scientific view, and say that there is no good evidence for an afterlife. The attempts to show Auntie Mabel speaking from beyond the Veil do not stand up under scrutiny. NDE's and tunnel of light experiences are interesting but should not be taken as proof of an afterlife any more than dreaming about flying is proof that you can fly.
Nor is the human racial belief in a soul to be taken as more than that. It has not been demonstrated any more than a god.
Philosophically, I wonder what sort of afterlife would be supportable for eternity without transforming us al into something that would no longer be 'Us' - that's without the added problem of relatives frying in a Hell.
Bottom line, I see no good evidence for an afterlife, but there could be one, in the sense of individial consciousness after death. If so, it is a natural thing, not to be used as a sort of invisible bribe to get people to sign up to a particular religion by the threat of taking away what we are for from sure is even there to be had anyway.
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Your point? Our energy would be our personality, intelligence, emotions, etc. You may call that a soul, I call it the result of brain activity. That brain activity is the result of energy use, it is not energy in and of itself.
Once you die, the body deteriorates. It no longer uses food as fuel (energy) to power the heart, lungs, brain, etc. The body temperature drops from 98.7 degrees to whatever the surrounding environment is. Its energy use, other than the energy used by bacteria for decomposition, stops.
But you are correct. Energy is not created or destroyed. It simply stays in its current, potential state after death. Lest you be confused, I mean that the undigested food stays in your stomach, and no exothermic reactions take place to power the body.
The brain dies. You die. I die. There is no afterlife, and this is not a contradiction of the laws of physics.
So then what happens to the soul and where does the energy transfer to? Your claiming the brain activity dies, so if you believe in the laws of physics then where does the energy transfer to? If it all ceases to exist then you are contradicting your own belief in the laws of physics.
So then what happens to the soul and where does the energy transfer to? Your claiming the brain activity dies, so if you believe in the laws of physics then where does the energy transfer to? If it all ceases to exist then you are contradicting your own belief in the laws of physics.
The same place all the energy of a flame goes when the candle burns out.
This clever soundbyte could be elaborated in many different ways as the wax gets converted to CO2, of course human energy is a bit more dynamic.
TNT is a bit more dynamic than bicarbonate of soda, but the energy goes the same way. Your clever soundbyte doesn't do anything to show that we go anywhere other than the same place as a mouldy apple, given time.
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TNT is a bit more dynamic than bicarbonate of soda, but the energy goes the same way. Your clever soundbyte doesn't do anything to show that we go anywhere other than the same place as a mouldy apple, given time.
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And what do you think most of your last breath will contain?
That is just energy in the physical realm, you're evading what happens to the soul (thoughts, emotions, personality), is that not energy?
What happens in the afterlife (assuming there is one)? I have absolutely no idea. If it is as the elders of my nation state, that would be nice. I honestly don't worry about it too much though, as I simply don't know.
That is just energy in the physical realm, you're evading what happens to the soul (thoughts, emotions, personality), is that not energy?
It is energy. Is is electrochemical energy produced by the neurons. When the brain "dies" it is because it is no longer producing or transmitting the electrically charged chemicals necessary to trigger and produce thoughts, feelings, and emotions.
When the neuron dies for lack of oxygen, it cannot produce the chemical needed to trigger the neurons next to it. When that happens, the brain stops thinking, reacting, or feeling. It dies.
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