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Old 01-14-2013, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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The Bible is enough.
Which is a dogmatic claim for which you can adduce no evidence. You're doing exactly what I predicted you would be forced to do.

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I mean...to anyone that claims to be a Christian, it would be.
Actually, for the majority of self-identified Christians in this world, that's not true. Sola scriptura is a Protestant innovation, and they don't constitute the majority of Christians in this world. Now you're not only being dogmatic, but naively sectarian as well.

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I've noticed you don't seem to place a lot of stock in that, though.
Naive dogmatism and sectarianism? No stock at all.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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But he lowered the status of the Egyptian Gods to that of Aten's angels (there but for the grace of Aten).
Not so much angels as emanations. They were his manifestations, not his messengers.

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Also, what about the Hyksos (shepards/hicks) they worshiped one God, Setesh, and destroyed all the other idols...
They didn't destroy all other idols, they just worshipped Seth to the exclusion of others. They didn't deny their existence or actively persecute them or their constituents. They practiced monolatry, which was what the Israelites originally practiced.

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could it be that Setesh of the desert was a jealous God? Did the Hyksos believe Setesh was the Original Creator? If not, why worship Setesh only?
The Semitic nations generally had a single patron deity, rather than a number of competing regional deities, like Egypt. This lent itself more frequently to monolatrous inclinations.

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And what about Zoroastrianism and Brahmanism, were they not monotheist?
There is still some debate regarding whether Zoroastrianism was monotheistic or dualistic, although the majority of scholars see it as dualistic, and I agree. Brahmanism wasn't monotheistic.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:38 PM
 
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Which is a dogmatic claim for which you can adduce no evidence. You're doing exactly what I predicted you would be forced to do.



Actually, for the majority of self-identified Christians in this world, that's not true. Sola scriptura is a Protestant innovation, and they don't constitute the majority of Christians in this world. Now you're not only being dogmatic, but naively sectarian as well.



Naive dogmatism and sectarianism? No stock at all.
I've never known a Christian that didn't hold the Bible in high regard. You don't seem to. I'm not sure what you're trying to insinuate.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:41 PM
 
Location: New York City
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I've never known a Christian that didn't hold the Bible in high regard. You don't seem to. I'm not sure what you're trying to insinuate.

You need to get out more often Vizio. There are lots of 'em out there. On your side of Christianity, I don't think you would consider them Christians though.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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I've never known a Christian that didn't hold the Bible in high regard. You don't seem to. I'm not sure what you're trying to insinuate.
Oh, I hold it in high regard, as I have directly and explicitly told you. I don't hold to the demonstrably false notion that it is without error, though. I appreciate it with its errors. I don't bury my head in the sand and say "La, la, la, I'm not listening!" when it comes to the human factor in the Bible's composition and transmission.
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:57 AM
 
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Oh, I hold it in high regard, as I have directly and explicitly told you. I don't hold to the demonstrably false notion that it is without error, though. I appreciate it with its errors. I don't bury my head in the sand and say "La, la, la, I'm not listening!" when it comes to the human factor in the Bible's composition and transmission.

Do you believe the scripture is divinely inspired?
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:03 AM
 
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You need to get out more often Vizio. There are lots of 'em out there. On your side of Christianity, I don't think you would consider them Christians though.

Example? Catholics and Protestants both hold the Bible as the Word of God. These two groups combined most certainly constitutes a vast majority of Christianity.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Do you believe the scripture is divinely inspired?
Not to step on Daniel's toes, but he has said that he believes that scripture is divinely inspired to you and Vizio before. He went further to say that he, obviously, feels that you and he have very different notions as to what "divinely inspired" means. Divinely inspired, but with demonstrable errors, as it was ultimately written and compiled by men.

This is the viewpoint of many Christians I know who have also delved into the Bible and seen the obvious inconsistencies and errors. But their faith remains.
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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Example? Catholics and Protestants both hold the Bible as the Word of God. These two groups combined most certainly constitutes a vast majority of Christianity.


- Protestant religions are The Re-Form-Mation of Catholicism's Trinity Doctrine.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:11 PM
 
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- What we've been taught about this word Inspiration is not what it means.

God breathed? God can breathe without Commanding anything.

God breathed into Adam and it didn't make him Infallible nor Inerrant.
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