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Old 05-30-2010, 05:21 PM
 
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BP just made a big mess off the gulf coast, where's God now?

(a)God knows about it, but didn't do anything (contradictory to "omnibenevolent")
(b)God is too busy (contradictory to "omniscient")
(c)Humans did it, there is nothing God can do (contradictory to "omnipotent")


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"omnipotent" - all powerful, can do anything.
"omniscient" - knows all.
"omnibenevolent" - has all the goodwills.
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Old 05-30-2010, 06:16 PM
 
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Didn't Epicurus have the same argument over 2000 years ago? Fascinating how that argument can still be applied to this day.
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Old 05-30-2010, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Didn't Epicurus have the same argument over 2000 years ago? Fascinating how that argument can still be applied to this day.
The one that believers put out there that fascinates me is that God give people "free will" without realizing that the "free will" totally emasculates God's ability to do anything...............except........

.......when it comes to prophecy fulfillment, then people have no free will because God has to direct their actions in order for the prophecies to occur.

but.........

It could be that God knew what these people were going to do with their "free will" before they actually do anything and thus is just giving a report on what they are going to do.............

which means that God is really not in charge of what is happening or has happened or is going to happen.
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Old 05-30-2010, 06:39 PM
 
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humans free will,God dosent mess with that stuff,so if we build an oil rig and destroyes our earth,just like all of technology is doing,then it is our own faults,but He does interviene every now and again-look up the 10 incarnations of ~Vishnu!!!!!!
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Old 05-30-2010, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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BP just made a big mess off the gulf coast, where's God now?

(a)God knows about it, but didn't do anything (contradictory to "omnibenevolent")
(b)God is too busy (contradictory to "omniscient")
(c)Humans did it, there is nothing God can do (contradictory to "omnipotent")


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"omnipotent" - all powerful, can do anything.
"omniscient" - knows all.
"omnibenevolent" - has all the goodwills.

God is not "omnibenevolent". That is not a biblical term. The only people who use that term are nontheists. But you knew that.

I think this a major strawman thread. Are you trying to strengthen the faith of us Christians by offering such a weak "arguement" against the existence of God.

I mean do you really think that disagreeable behavior (if even true) somehow disproves God?

Time to move on.
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Old 05-30-2010, 08:53 PM
 
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God is not "omnibenevolent". That is not a biblical term. The only people who use that term are nontheists. But you knew that.

I think this a major strawman thread. Are you trying to strengthen the faith of us Christians by offering such a weak "arguement" against the existence of God.

I mean do you really think that disagreeable behavior (if even true) somehow disproves God?

Time to move on.
So--you have absolutely nothing constructive and are inept to argue against Vic. So, instead, you red herring. Golly, you did this in my thread too. I smell a pattern.

And you're lying.
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Old 05-30-2010, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Fort Wayne
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BP just made a big mess off the gulf coast, where's God now?

(a)God knows about it, but didn't do anything (contradictory to "omnibenevolent")
(b)God is too busy (contradictory to "omniscient")
(c)Humans did it, there is nothing God can do (contradictory to "omnipotent")


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"omnipotent" - all powerful, can do anything.
"omniscient" - knows all.
"omnibenevolent" - has all the goodwills.
Any actually PROOF of he/she/it/they being all of those things?
Or just...FAITH?
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Old 05-30-2010, 10:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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humans free will,God dosent mess with that stuff,so if we build an oil rig and destroyes our earth,just like all of technology is doing,then it is our own faults,but He does interviene every now and again-look up the 10 incarnations of ~Vishnu!!!!!!
Lack of spell checking and grammar checking make baby Vishnu cry.
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Old 05-30-2010, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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So--you have absolutely nothing constructive and are inept to argue against Vic. So, instead, you red herring. Golly, you did this in my thread too. I smell a pattern.

And you're lying.
Omniscience | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Hmm.

A combination of ad hominem, poor sentence construction and bad grammar. Plus you call me a lair??? Not to mention your link says nothing sbout God being all loving.



I guess I must've hit a nerve.
and I am sure this post will get mod-delelted.
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Old 05-31-2010, 04:20 AM
 
Location: 30-40°N 90-100°W
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I think it's more "humans did it, it's humans job to fix it." I don't think I ever imagined God had to come in and clean up every stupid mess we make. This is one where an almost exact analogy to parenthood works. The kid spills something, the kid cleans it up. Maybe some parents fly into fix every mistake their kid makes, but I don't see that that's necessarily benevolent or even very smart.
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