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1) Jesus primary purpose for coming to earth was to "give Himself as a ransom for many", i.e., die for our sins. He did that, & therefore His mission was successful.
2) Every great hero of the Bible had flaws. Abraham did not believe God, David was a murderer & an adulterer, Moses was a murderer, Peter denied Christ, Paul (Saul) was an anti-Christian terrorist, etc.
Granted, there are self-proclaimed Christians who rarely open a Bible to see what Jesus said. On the other hand, you don't see everything. Acts of Christianity abound. They're just not newsworthy. They happen behind the scenes. I see these kinds of things all the time. Then again, I'm active in my local church. How many of you are? Or are you looking in from the outside?
As one example, Somewhere in the bible Jesus made a reference to throwing stones.
By intentionally ignoring the teachings of Jesus his followers degrade him to a utility. The followers are then only interested in what Jesus can do for them (tickets to heaven), not in how they can live as Jesus suggested.
If the mission of Jesus was to be sacrificed, then why did he live 33 years. He could have been crucified immediately after birth. This I already stated in the OP.
2) Every great hero of the Bible had flaws. Abraham did not believe God, David was a murderer & an adulterer, Moses was a murderer, Peter denied Christ, Paul (Saul) was an anti-Christian terrorist, etc.
But this isn't about Abraham, Moses, David, Peter or anyone else. It is about Jesus. Since Jesus was ostensibly "god", he could have no flaws. If he had flaws, then he was no more than a man, which is what I think about him BTW.
If the mission of Jesus was to be sacrificed, then why did he live 33 years. He could have been crucified immediately after birth.
Jesus said 'I have to preach, because that is why I came' (Mark 1:38). His self-stated mission here was to preach, not to be sacrificed. He couldn't have fulfilled this mission if he had been crucified at birth.
Since Jesus was ostensibly "god", he could have no flaws. If he had flaws, then he was no more than a man, which is what I think about him BTW.
God could, and did, have flaws, according to the Bible. Genesis 6:6 says that he was 'sorry' that he had made people and put them on the earth, and was accordingly 'filled with regret' - recognition from God here that he had made a mistake.
Jesus said 'I have to preach, because that is why I came' (Mark 1:38). His self-stated mission here was to preach, not to be sacrificed. He couldn't have fulfilled this mission if he had been crucified at birth.
This becomes circular...
his mission was to preach. Hardly anyone knows what he preached. Therefore he was a failure.
Then someone will say that Jesus came to rinse away all sin.
Again I'll ask why did Jesus live 33 years if his mission was to be sacrificed?
Then someone will say that his mission was to preach...
so, on and on and on and on.
Jesus Was A Failure
By looking at the Christians, even Jesus would have to admit that he was failure as a teacher. All his sermons have been spoken to deaf ears; a holy waste of time. His purpose was that all sinners should be forgiven, this he did. Why did he live for 33 years? He could have been crucified immediately after being born.
Those who call themselves Christians cannot quote any of Jesus’s teachings. They are more likely to quote the bible, evangelists, religious figures, athletes, and politicians. Obviously, the sermons that Jesus taught went in one ear and out the other.
Jesus was not a failure at all. He wanted everyone to be saved. Yet He also knew that most would reject Him. And He tells us this in the Scriptures. In the end, those would love Christ will be with Him. And those who do not, will be somewhere else.
Jesus was not a failure at all. He wanted everyone to be saved. Yet He also knew that most would reject Him. And He tells us this in the Scriptures. In the end, those would love Christ will be with Him. And those who do not, will be somewhere else.
Thanks for adding your part of the circle. What should follow your post should be obvious.
This becomes circular...
his mission was to preach. Hardly anyone knows what he preached. Therefore he was a failure.
Jesus failed at some things, succeeded in others. Categorising him as a 'failure' seems harsh and a little unfair. We all fail at some things, and don't deserve to be written off as 'failures'.
To whom was he really preaching? Read Mark 4, and you will see that this was not necessarily people today, nor even the 'crowd' in those days, but fellow 'insiders' who knew how to interpret what he was saying. The book 'The Judas Secret' explains how these fellow insiders rejected his preaching, so to that extent, he failed. But if he 'came to preach', and did indeed preach, this could be deemed mission accomplished.
Jesus failed at some things, succeeded in others. Categorising him as a 'failure' seems harsh and a little unfair. We all fail at some things, and don't deserve to be written off as 'failures'.
To whom was he really preaching? Read Mark 4, and you will see that this was not necessarily people today, nor even the 'crowd' in those days, but fellow 'insiders' who knew how to interpret what he was saying. The book 'The Judas Secret' explains how these fellow insiders rejected his preaching, so to that extent, he failed. But if he 'came to preach', and did indeed preach, this could be deemed mission accomplished.
Jesus came to free all from sin. And all who receive Christ as Lord and Saviour will receive eternal life. Jesus continues to reveal Himself today to anyone who seeks out the true God. And that is why many in countries where the Gospel has been made illegal to preach. Jesus appears to those that seek Him, and often in their dreams. I myself have heard His voice. Jesus is much more than some historical person from the past. He is the living God.
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