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I think it would be weird to require from a local physician, like how does it matter where the person is? Plus it is a huge hassle to transfer things over and people are more comfortable making the trip to a physician they dealt with for many years, then start everything new again. That is not even getting into specialist, where there may not be a local specialist, or one taking new patients.
But I will say, I find many landlords to be weird people, like their one little thing they have they use as a venue to project some sort of feeling of power, control, influence over others.
I was looking for an analogy and maybe "pill mills" would be the closest (though this is a layman's perspective). This is where you had licensed pharmacists doling out huge quantities of pain killers with little or no scrutiny given to the legitimacy of the written prescriptions. They acquired reputations after a while and people would travel from all over the country to, e.g. locations in Florida, in order to load up and then later on resell.
The concern here is that you have a subset of the professional community willing to do the same for ESA certs which can be quick, easy and profitable for them. Its a classic case of a new rule creating a cottage industry for fraudulently adhering to it in order to get a specific benefit. This is why the airline bailed on ESAs, they saw it was just a way for pet owners to get a benefit based on bogus excuses.
But I will say, I find many landlords to be weird people, like their one little thing they have they use as a venue to project some sort of feeling of power, control, influence over others.
Sadly, that kind of behavior is rather common in small time landlords.
I get calls ALL THE TIME from people who have a pet dog that they're trying to pass off as an ESA. I do accept pets, but not those on the insurer's prohibited dog list.
"Well yes, I do have a dog. It's a 3 month old pitbull puppy that we just got for my 4 yr old son, but we're getting it certified as an emotional service animal. Renter's insurance that covers liability for the dog? Why would I get that?"
Or the person who tells me that it's illegal for me to ask the breed of their pet, because they've got a paper certifying that it is an ESA (and of course it's a pitbull).
Guide dog? Sure. An adult dog that is professionally trained to provide a specific service for a specific disability, such as to bark when a child has a seizure at night? Sure. But in ten years of landlording, I have NEVER had a person with one of those even ask to view, let alone apply for, a unit. But many, many calls from people with bogus ESA animals that are simply untrained pets, for people with no specific disability, masquerading as ESA's with certificates bought off the internet.
Sadly, that kind of behavior is rather common in small time landlords.
Yes, it's very controlling to expect people to pay their rent on time, and live quietly in their units without disturbing their neighbors, abiding by the terms of their lease, in exchange for my providing a unit that I keep in good repair, in accordance with the terms of the lease.
I get calls ALL THE TIME from people who have a pet dog that they're trying to pass off as an ESA. I do accept pets, but not those on the insurer's prohibited dog list.
"Well yes, I do have a dog. It's a 3 month old pitbull puppy that we just got for my 4 yr old son, but we're getting it certified as an emotional service animal. Renter's insurance that covers liability for the dog? Why would I get that?"
Or the person who tells me that it's illegal for me to ask the breed of their pet, because they've got a paper certifying that it is an ESA (and of course it's a pitbull).
Guide dog? Sure. An adult dog that is professionally trained to provide a specific service for a specific disability, such as to bark when a child has a seizure at night? Sure. But in ten years of landlording, I have NEVER had a person with one of those even ask to view, let alone apply for, a unit. But many, many calls from people with bogus ESA animals that are simply untrained pets, for people with no specific disability, masquerading as ESA's with certificates bought off the internet.
I'm sorry, were you going somewhere with this?
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Yes, it's very controlling to expect people to pay their rent on time, and live quietly in their units without disturbing their neighbors, abiding by the terms of their lease, in exchange for my providing a unit that I keep in good repair, in accordance with the terms of the lease.
Yes, this is clearly the type of behavior that k350 and I were alluding to.
Yes, it's very controlling to expect people to pay their rent on time, and live quietly in their units without disturbing their neighbors, abiding by the terms of their lease, in exchange for my providing a unit that I keep in good repair, in accordance with the terms of the lease.
Nah, I am an LL, and some of you all got mental issues.
So don't give me that "expect people blah blah" BS, I am in the same boat, yet do not act like a fanatical, paranoid, controlling mental case.
Good. I am sick and tired of people trying to get their bully breed dogs in under ESA inclusion. Plus, it is offensive to people that have REAL support animals, like guide dogs.
Nah, I am an LL, and some of you all got mental issues.
So don't give me that "expect people blah blah" BS, I am in the same boat, yet do not act like a fanatical, paranoid, controlling mental case.
Exactly.
How many threads have we seen in here about landlords trying to control their tenants lives far outside of the bounds of their business relationship? Just in the past year or so we had the one here about the landlord hassling the lady who was working from home and another where the landlord was hassling the woman who let her boyfriend stay with her a couple times a week.
Good. I am sick and tired of people trying to get their bully breed dogs in under ESA inclusion. Plus, it is offensive to people that have REAL support animals, like guide dogs.
Been on both sides.
In our business (hospitality-hotel) we are mandated to certain federal rules.
The airline taking a stand has helped us to 'modify' folks bringing snakes and kittens to our hotel under the guise of esa. Which luckily we now require if someone is going to use the service animal guideline - we are allowed to ask they complete our 'safe stay' sheet.
As a tenant our landlord is stern. Any service animals are still to be licensed. A physician order is kept in file. A vet verification that the animal is a service trained . That all shots are current. Not one person that resides here has pulled one over.
And correct- it is a disgrace . My associate has a service dog. She is very attentive to the fact that her dog is 24/7 by her side. Not in the yard without her, or in a pet cage like some folks bring for their 'cough' ...ummm service animal.
One thing that's left out here is that the FHA does not apply to many landlords.
If the building is a multi family home with four or fewer units and the owner lives in of them, then it doesn't apply. Or if it's a single family home, and the landlord placed the tenants without the use of a broker or agent, and the landlord owns three or fewer houses then it also doesn't apply and the landlord can deny ESAs all day long.
This is specifically why I don't work with brokers or agents and find my own tenants (one of the reasons, anyway).
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