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The point that is lost though is that we wouldn't have to pay for health insurance anymore.
The tax increase would be largely if not completely offset by the reduction in insurance premiums so many of us pay directly or indirectly.
I see other benefits too. Once our taxes are paying for health care there will be more pressure to keep prices within limits. Also, Congress will take a direct interest in the quality and availability of services. This is the case in other countries with universal health care.
According to Bernie Sanders, the average American would pay 2.2% more in taxes, so $1100/year for a $50k income. But they would pay $4000 less in premiums and deductibles than the average which is about $6000/year now. So the overall savings is $3000.
Baloney.
The average cost per person for healthcare (I'm basing this on my experience over the years in managed care and self funded plans) is now about $300 to $500 per month per person (including Rx). Of course it varies by age and gender. How does this translate to less than $100 per month in taxes according to Sanders??? If it's based on savings with single payer, where do the savings come from?
There is an assumption there that EVERY American can pay 2.2% more in taxes. Who will pay (and how much) for those who cannot?
There was a Rick Steve's show in Sweden...he interviewed a couple who said about 50% of each paycheck goes to taxes. Now, they do have more social services but no doubt a good portion of that goes for their healthcare. I'm sure it's more than 2.2%.
My issue is not whether to go private or single payer, we can argue that all day long. It the deceptive quote above which implies major savings for Americans moving to single payer.
The average cost per person for healthcare (I'm basing this on my experience over the years in managed care and self funded plans) is now about $300 to $500 per month per person (including Rx). Of course it varies by age and gender. How does this translate to less than $100 per month in taxes according to Sanders??? If it's based on savings with single payer, where do the savings come from?
There is an assumption there that EVERY American can pay 2.2% more in taxes. Who will pay (and how much) for those who cannot?
There was a Rick Steve's show in Sweden...he interviewed a couple who said about 50% of each paycheck goes to taxes. Now, they do have more social services but no doubt a good portion of that goes for their healthcare. I'm sure it's more than 2.2%.
My issue is not whether to go private or single payer, we can argue that all day long. It the deceptive quote above which implies major savings for Americans moving to single payer.
Sweden has many services over and above healthcare that drive cost. You can look at Canada for a closer comparison the rates are similar to ours but with less deductions. a decade or more ago (before I had kids) I lived on the Canadian border and after many beers with Canucks, I was curious how both systems played out. At the time up until around 80-100k in individual income, you were paying way less under the Canadian system (taxes vs healthcare premiums). I have to imagine given our health care costs have risen faster then theirs over the last decade the same still holds true up to an even higher income.
According to Bernie Sanders, the average American would pay 2.2% more in taxes, so $1100/year for a $50k income. But they would pay $4000 less in premiums and deductibles than the average which is about $6000/year now. So the overall savings is $3000.
Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, "The average American will save $2500" King Obama.
Yes, Obamacare is currently the law of the land, but today, it was discussed how the Secretary (Head) of Health and Human Services (HHS) Tom Price can sabotage some or many positive aspects of Obamacare (Affordable Care Act) and aspects of HHS on his own, and he is a ultra-conservative right wing weasel who hopes to disable and sabotage much in HHS which is why he was appointed to be head of HHS. (as can Trump with Executive Orders and actions)
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But today, it was reported that the Secretary (Head) of Health and Human Services (HHS) Tom Price can sabotage some or many positive aspects of Obamacare (Affordable Care Act) and aspects of HHS on his own, as can Trump with Executive Orders and actions.
That's the sad part that everyone in congress is more interested in party politics than actually working for the best of the people. So rather than work on improving Obamacare they are more interested in letting it fail to score those points. And those points will be scored on the back of the Americans that will suffer health wise from these actions
That's the sad part that everyone in congress is more interested in party politics than actually working for the best of the people. So rather than work on improving Obamacare they are more interested in letting it fail to score those points. And those points will be scored on the back of the Americans that will suffer health wise from these actions
Many on the right don't believe the government should be involved in health care and other things. They believe it is something that should be left to individuals and the market place. There are others of another persuasion who believe to the contrary. Also there is a matter of cost and there are varying views on who should bear the cost of health care. The individual or society. There are some real discussions we as a society should be having absent the passing of legislation one way or the other.
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That's the sad part that everyone in congress is more interested in party politics than actually working for the best of the people. So rather than work on improving Obamacare they are more interested in letting it fail to score those points. And those points will be scored on the back of the Americans that will suffer health wise from these actions
Congress has no skin in the game... they are exempt from A(?)CA.
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