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Old 02-18-2020, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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This new virus seems to impact older people at a disproportionately high rate:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/w...#link-4f1410c9

"The new analysis was posted online by researchers at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

Over all, about 81 percent of patients with confirmed diagnoses experienced mild illness, the researchers found. Nearly 14 percent had severe cases of COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, and about 5 percent had critical illnesses.

Thirty percent of those who died were in their 60s, 30 percent were in their 70s and 20 percent were age 80 or older. Though men and women were roughly equally represented among the confirmed cases, men made up nearly 64 percent of the deaths. Patients with underlying medical conditions, such as cardiovascular disease or diabetes, died at higher rates.

The fatality rate among patients in Hubei Province, the center of China’s outbreak, was more than seven times higher than that of other provinces.

China on Tuesday announced new figures for the outbreak. The number of cases was put at 72,436 — up 1,888 from 70,548 the day before — and the death toll now stands at 1,868, up 98 from 1,770, the authorities said."

It is also much more toxic than seasonal flu:

"An analysis of 44,672 coronavirus patients in China whose diagnoses were confirmed by laboratory testing has found that 1,023 had died by Feb. 11. That’s a fatality rate of 2.3 percent. Figures released on a daily basis suggest the rate has further increased in recent days.

That is far higher than the mortality rate of the seasonal flu, with which the new coronavirus has sometimes been compared. In the United States, flu fatality rates hover around 0.1 percent."
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Old 02-18-2020, 04:34 AM
 
Location: San Antonio/Houston/Tricity
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Older people (and kids) are generally more fragile and can die at a disproportionately high rate from just about anything - common flu, cold, pneumonia etc. In the US the mortality is probably even higher, regardless of the quick access to doctors and hospitals.
Here Is an example (common flu fatality)
More precise figures, in which flu is specifically listed as a cause of death, shows 15,541 fatalities from Oct. 1, 2017, through early September (the most recent report available). Nearly 80% of those who died from flu were 65 or older — 12,230 — a significant increase over recent years.
https://www.aarp.org/health/conditio...hs-rising.html

In China those older people are most likely more weak and sick and they usually are too busy and too tough to seek a doctor attention. I bet that normally, their emergency rooms aren't full of people complaining about minor ailments.
You can't compare them to average elderly Americans who have access to superior healthcare and state of the art hospitals.
Lots of those elderly in China lived in remote locations and had no quick access to health facilities.
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Old 02-18-2020, 04:46 AM
 
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"The research also points to the high risk to medical staff.

A hospital director in the city of Wuhan died from the virus on Tuesday.

Liu Zhiming, 51, was the director of the Wuchang Hospital in Wuhan - one of the leading hospitals in the virus epicentre. He is one of the most senior health officials to die so far."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51540981
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Old 02-18-2020, 04:55 AM
 
Location: S-E Michigan
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Hard to say. All my Millennial co-workers seem to be sick at least twice per month. On the other hand, in 7 years of working here I (age 63) have not taken a single sick day for illness.

Of course their sickness may be the old fashioned Corona virus. Formerly called the "Brown Bottle Flu".
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Old 02-18-2020, 05:22 AM
 
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Most of these deaths are from pneumonia that seems to take hold in about 20% of the people infected by Covid-19. Older people are more likely to die from untreated pneumonia. A younger body might be able to tough it out and squeak by, whereas the older person loses the battle and drowns.

There is no medical system in any country with enough resources to handle millions of pneumonia patients. We need a vaccine for this virus ASAP.
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Most of these deaths are from pneumonia that seems to take hold in about 20% of the people infected by Covid-19. Older people are more likely to die from untreated pneumonia. A younger body might be able to tough it out and squeak by, whereas the older person loses the battle and drowns.

There is no medical system in any country with enough resources to handle millions of pneumonia patients. We need a vaccine for this virus ASAP.
Anyone who has respiratory issues would probably be at an enhanced risk. I've had two rounds of bronchitis since before Christmas. There's no way I'm getting on a cruise ship or flying other than maybe to a small-ish airport until this blows over.
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:30 AM
 
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This does seem to be a really bad winter for respiratory illnesses.

I have been consecutively dealing with one or another of them since December 26th. Ugh. I literally do not personally know any family who has escaped a respiratory virus completely during the past three months.
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Old 02-18-2020, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Anyone who has respiratory issues would probably be at an enhanced risk. I've had two rounds of bronchitis since before Christmas. There's no way I'm getting on a cruise ship or flying other than maybe to a small-ish airport until this blows over.
Any flight from where you are to anyplace else will route you thru a big airport like CLT or ATL. Be prepared.
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Any flight from where you are to anyplace else will route you thru a big airport like CLT or ATL. Be prepared.
Unless it's a nonstop to Florida (only place other than Dallas that I can get to from my regional airport), there's no way I can avoid CLT or ATL.

I wanted to do a trip to California this year. I'm hesitant on booking due to the potential escalation of coronavirus.

I normally do a Florida trip around this time of winter to knock the edge off, but the soonest I could leave would be the weekend of the 28th. We're around a month until baseball starts. I may take a couple long weekends for some MLB games and roadtrips.

Air travel right now just seems like a needless risk.
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:32 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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We have heard a lot of fragmented details but it still seems very confusing. How long does the virus live without a host?

I'm passing through O'hare and Heathrow airports in a couple weeks and then in London several days before getting to the west of Ireland. I just won't breathe for a few days. Should be OK.
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