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I specifically said you were wrong when you said........... if the chargers are even in service which they're usually not,
The ones I was referencing, because you left out the context of the statement, were the ones located on the route of a trip I'm taking in a couple weeks. Those are the ones that are usually out of service.
My daughter who has an EV has been stuck there enough so that when she now takes that trip she parks the EV and uses one of our vehicles. That way a 300/350 mile one way trip stays at one day instead of two with an overnight motel stay.
The ones I was referencing, because you left out the context of the statement, were the ones located on the route of a trip I'm taking in a couple weeks. Those are the ones that are usually out of service.
As to your assertion that EV owners pay more in fees than ICE owners do in gas taxes, take a look at those numbers again.
Since you mentioned California:
Additional EV license fee: $100/year (to be inflation adjusted starting a year ago.
Total gas tax/gallon in California: $0.695/gallon.
An ICE driver would need to buy 144 gallons of gas to hit the $100 EV fee in gas tax, so 12 gallons a month.
I'm going to go out on a limb and theorize that the typical California driver buys more gas than 12 gallons a month or 144 gallons a year.
^^^^^ Spot on!
I would guess that the typical California ICE driver buys 80 to 100 gallons of gas per month. That means that the EV owner pays only about 13% as much in road taxes/fees as the typical ICE driver.
You know, maybe you're right. Level 2 gets you 20 miles for an hour of charging, not the 60 I was using. And it's an hour to charge for that, not a half hour.
You keep ignoring the fact that you are going on incomplete/bad data because you don't know the difference because no experience. I have used EVs for about 6 years and use DC fast chargers several times a month for long trips in an EV - so I have some experience?
The "industry source" you previous linked before was a UK site selling chargers for work or home - that is not what is used for those driving long distance. Now you want to say an hour for 20 miles using level 2 numbers. Level 2 charging is for overnight at home or charging when staying at a hotel, not DC fast charging used during the day on a trip - also even level 2 is more like 30 miles in an hour than 20, but depends on the vehicle. Learn the difference - DC fast chargers can exceed 80% charge in less than half an hour. According to Porsche, the Taycan can get 60 miles of charge in less than than 5 min and 80% of charge in a little over 20 min. From Tesla, data is 100 miles in 7 min, 180 miles in 15 minutes and 80% (about 300 miles) in just under 30 min for their newest Model S.
The new link you posted the map is very incomplete because high level map doesn't show the real data and is a couple of years old. There are 59,967 locations for filling, most have many chargers for charging at each location. For example the Location in Baker, a small town of about 800 out in the desert is shown as one location even though there are 40 Tesla and 16 Electrify America chargers at one spot and another 8 EVGO chargers just down the road - all 150KW or better DC Fast chargers.
I would guess that the typical California ICE driver buys 80 to 100 gallons of gas per month. That means that the EV owner pays only about 13% as much in road taxes/fees as the typical ICE driver.
Way off. As I already stated, the $0.695 is wrong - I believe the rate is $1.18/gal of which $0.511 is CA tax for roads on gas and $0.398 on diesel. At that rate $100 is equivalent to just under 200 gallons for gas and just over 250 on diesel or about 12,000 miles in a high mileage vehicle which is about average miles.
But again, who says needs to be the same or higher? Some already pay more than the tax on ICE vehicles since it is a flat rate. The point is that EVs pay to compensate, it is up to the state to determine what is the rate.
Didn't know that a person had to own an EV to find out where the charging stations are.
Again, that is not what was claimed.
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