On the automotive forum many are convinced that electric cars are the future (physically, long-term)
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Electric cars are for city people (in my opinion).
Imagine trying to tow a boat or a camper on an interstate with one.
Imagine being behind electric tractor trailers going up an incline on a highway.
Imagine doing a road trip and how much time it will add to your trip if you have to charge one while traveling. Right now the fastest one (current cost $77,000) takes 20 minutes.
Imagine driving at night in one and a space alien (in his non-electric flying saucer) zaps your vehicle to stop it and beam you up. Oh wait, they do that now.
Imagine living in an apartment complex and everyone trying to charge their vehicles every night at the same time. Imagine what a suburban one will look like with chargers everywhere? Ugly.
Imagine the metal thieves eyeballing all of those chargers.
I think they should make the environmental finger-waggers fly in private electric jets. I think Air Force One should go first.
Really wrong on so much info - I tow on the interstate all the time with an EV - it will easily tow as fast as any vehicle - have 518 hp and 487 lbft of torque.
An EV tractor trailer can keep up speed on an an incline way easier that a diesel - they have much more torque and no need for gears.
You already likely stop on trips to get gas, eat, etc - with an EV the stop is maybe 20 min instead of 10.
Try imagining a world where they have EV chargers where you shop instead of going to a gas station - gas stations are much more ugly than chargers in a parking lot. There are likely chargers already at your nearby Target or Walmart - just look around. If you think a charger is ugly but a pump is not, you really haven't looked. BTW - Most in suburbs with EVs charge at home anyway.
Why do you think that all EV owners are liberal wackos that fly in private jets - far from reality.
No, the pollution from the power plants, or from manufacturing the components for renewables, and the environmental destruction caused by hydro will just be going somewhere where the people are less important.
Partially correct, the pollution will be far less because of the efficiency of EV over ICE and a significant proportion of electricity generation will be from renewable energy, and it will be far away from population centers.
many are overlooking the fact that in order to have electric cars, charging stations etc, you first have to produce the electricity from the power plant. More electric dmands more power plants needed. and more power plants require more innovation in electric production. Otherwise society still has pollution problems.
According to DOE study, more power plants above what are already being built are not needed to meet projected EV use. Most EV charging is done overnight when demand is low also the pollution from fixed power plants are much lower than that from vehicles.
many are overlooking the fact that in order to have electric cars, charging stations etc, you first have to produce the electricity from the power plant. More electric demands more power plants needed. and more power plants require more innovation in electric production. Otherwise society still has pollution problems.
Oh, come on.....do you really think that the "green weenies" have thought that far down the road??
They cooked up regulations that pushed our factories out of the US, thinking that it would solve our pollution problems. What happened? Factories under a limited amount of pollution controls HERE, moved to countries that had ZERO pollution controls. They never considered that air pollution eventually makes it's way around the world, so by moving the source of the pollution to an uncontrolled country made the overall pollution worse for the planet, and eventually, almost as bad for the US, as it had been. However ground and water pollution are different topics.
And something else to consider, since EVs don't have the range of ICE powered vehicles, they have to be charged more often. That means that they are drawing electricity from the coal fired plants at a higher rate than what has been an "average level" for the previous 40-50 years. This means more "secondary pollution" is being generated, but not from tailpipes, from smokestacks.
There is NO free lunch...................
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Originally Posted by ddeemo
According to DOE study, more power plants above what are already being built are not needed to meet projected EV use. Most EV charging is done overnight when demand is low also the pollution from fixed power plants are much lower than that from vehicles.
"Charge at night" is the EV supporters justification for everything.....
Sure, it's no big deal if several dozen EVs plug in on any given night, but if EVERYONE has an EV, and even if HALF of them "plug in at night", that HAS to be about a 6-700% increase in demand, on any given night. Does any rational person think that this won't put a significantly higher load on the current grid??
BUT, most ICE powered vehicles, with a full tank of gas, can go 4-600 miles, which is notably more than many EVs. Therefore, if you have enough warning, you can fill your car's gas tank, and have quite a bit of travel capability. AND, if you're really on top of things, and you have a 5 gallon gas can, normally used for your lawn mower/snow blower, you fill that, and you have potentially another 80-100 miles of range.
Can you get a "5 gallon can" of electricity for your EV???
What difference does that make? You are condemning the choices of others over something that is none of your business because of issues in some very rare cases.
Sure, it's no big deal if several dozen EVs plug in on any given night, but if EVERYONE has an EV, and even if HALF of them "plug in at night", that HAS to be about a 6-700% increase in demand, on any given night. Does any rational person think that this won't put a significantly higher load on the current grid??
Well, the grid is designed to support maximum consumption.
The Time-of-day usage chart (from the UK, but I assume the is similar) shows that the grid could easily handle an increase of 300% from the current nighttime.
Estimates I've seen indicate the current electric grid can support 24 million BEVs. Today there are about 2 million plug-in vehicles on the road, but this also includes plug-in hybrids. If that 24 million numbers is worth anything, it gets the country to roughly 10% of vehicles being electric. How long will that take? I haven't seen any estimate, but certainly it's more than a few years.
I expect we'll see lots of off-grid charging at locations where cars are parked during the day... offices, shopping centers, park-and-rides, etc. Photovoltaic generation is cost effective today if it doesn't need to be stored. Also, people who work from home may choose to do PV charging with their own panels. This doesn't solve the "road trip" problem, but large numbers of daily-driver BEVs could be supported in this way without any upgrades to the grid.
What difference does that make? You are condemning the choices of others over something that is none of your business because of issues in some very rare cases.
Yeah, like the "EV disciples" aren't disparaging those of us who still believe in ICE powered vehicles.....
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