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Old 03-22-2010, 12:46 AM
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So the Congress is well on its' way to radically changing health-care. Although I will refrain from expressing my personal opinion :shocked :, here is the question:

How many of you plan to modify your retirement plans to ensure coverage in the new system? Have you thought out a new strategy to guarantee continued quality of care, and how will you pay for it?
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:51 AM
 
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What provisions of Medicare are being changed by the new healthcare bills?
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:02 AM
 
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So the Congress is well on its' way to radically changing health-care. Although I will refrain from expressing my personal opinion :shocked :, here is the question:

How many of you plan to modify your retirement plans to ensure coverage in the new system? Have you thought out a new strategy to guarantee continued quality of care, and how will you pay for it?
I would expect that at the next presidential election both the administration and the congress will be ultra-Rightist, and that the new health care provisions will be scuttled asap.
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:48 AM
 
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I would expect that at the next presidential election both the administration and the congress will be ultra-Rightist, and that the new health care provisions will be scuttled asap.
Well, let's see, here are the changes that will occur this year:

Six months after the bill is signed into law, insurance companies would be banned from some unpopular practices — no more rescinding coverage when policyholders get sick, imposing lifetime financial caps on coverage or denying coverage for children with pre-existing conditions.

Insurance companies would also be required within six months to allow parents to keep children up to age 26 on health care policies, unless their offspring are offered employer-backed coverage.

This year, the government would offer a $250 rebate to Medicare beneficiaries to help pay their prescription drug costs when they hit the “doughnut hole,” a gap in coverage under existing law. Next year, Medicare beneficiaries would see a 50 percent discount on brand-name drugs to further close that gap.

Within 90 days, a temporary high-risk pool would be created for those who are uninsured because of pre-existing medical conditions, allowing them to immediately buy insurance until new health care exchanges — marketplaces with a range of companies offering insurance policies — are up and running.

OMG!!!!

Socialism!!!!

Fascism!!!!

Communism!!!!

Not to mentiion any other ism that talk-radio can come up with!!!!!

This is horrible!!!

It's the end of the country, I tell you!!!

We're doomed!! Doooooomed!!!
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Old 03-22-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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some things are good things, but they will come with a hefty price tag. We will all pay higher premiums and what is to stop the insurance companies from canceling policies prior to the 6 mos? They will screw us until they are forced to stop. Do you have any idea what these policies will cost individuals yet since the CBO still has not come out with a final cost analysis. I do hope we will be able to stop working someday in the future, but right now doesnt look very promising.
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Old 03-22-2010, 09:49 AM
 
Location: DC Area, for now
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Premiums will go up at ridiculous rates regardless. This bill will not change that abuse and not having the would not keep them from doing it. That issue is a red herring.

The bill won't change anything for me. A friend might be in a lot better shape with the ban on pre-existing conditions & kids covered til 26. Her son is a diabetic & now shud have some options to keep his coverage at costs that he can fund himself. That alone makes retirement more possible for her.
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Old 03-22-2010, 09:55 AM
 
Location: High Cotton
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Don't forget that the IRS will be responsible to determine if everyone has insurance.

This health care reform does NOT come without HUGE added costs!

The costs will need to come from somewhere:

Higher insurance premiums
Higher taxes on individual incomes
Higher costs for employers
Higher costs for hospitals
Higher costs for doctors
Reduced charges allowed by doctors and hospitals
Reduced Medicare


Health care will be reduced:

Doctors will be seeing more patients
Fewer doctors entering general health care practice
Fewer doctors willing to take Medicare patients


It's against the Constitution!

Health care is NOT a right. Congress is forcing people to buy something.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:17 AM
 
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Don't forget that the IRS will be responsible to determine if everyone has insurance.

This health care reform does NOT come without HUGE added costs!

The costs will need to come from somewhere:

Higher insurance premiums
Higher taxes on individual incomes
Higher costs for employers
Higher costs for hospitals
Higher costs for doctors
Reduced charges allowed by doctors and hospitals
Reduced Medicare


Health care will be reduced:

Doctors will be seeing more patients
Fewer doctors entering general health care practice
Fewer doctors willing to take Medicare patients


It's against the Constitution!

Health care is NOT a right. Congress is forcing people to buy something.
Ah, yes. The good old right-wing talking-point rebuttal numbers 1-15.

What? Did you forget to mention the death panels that are going to be set up by the government to euthanize all of us? Or has that already been played out? Surely, the right can come up with something else to scare their gullible base about. How about abortions? Yeah, that's it!

And don't forget to mention healthcare for illegals! That's also another good hot butten issue!

But, since you want to discuss costs, let's discuss costs.

The non-partisan CBO has estimated that this reform will save $138,000,000,000 over the next ten years.

That's $138 with nine zeros behind it in case you're having difficulty with discussing actual numbers since I didn't see any in your unsubstantiated rant.

Director's Blog » Blog Archive » Preliminary Cost Estimate for Pending Health Care Legislation

Would you care to present some objective evidence to back up any of your assertions?

I didn't think so.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:35 AM
 
Location: WA
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It appears that this legislation will obsolete my catastrophic coverage and require a more comprehensive policy which will have a negative impact on the budget. Will be eligible for Medicare in a few years but it may be a different kind of program after the cuts... I know recent retires here cannot find physicians that will take new Medicare patients.

I expect we have just enough income to miss subsidies but will have to pay more taxes, sign up for more expensive insurance and maybe have more difficulty finding care.

For us it is a negative... for the country it will be a financial burden as well.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:43 AM
 
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Ah, yes. The good old right-wing talking-point rebuttal numbers 1-15.

What? Did you forget to mention the death panels that are going to be set up by the government to euthanize all of us? Or has that already been played out? Surely, the right can come up with something else to scare their gullible base about. How about abortions? Yeah, that's it!

And don't forget to mention healthcare for illegals! That's also another good hot butten issue!

But, since you want to discuss costs, let's discuss costs.

The non-partisan CBO has estimated that this reform will save $138,000,000,000 over the next ten years.

That's $138 with nine zeros behind it in case you're having difficulty with discussing actual numbers since I didn't see any in your unsubstantiated rant.

Director's Blog » Blog Archive » Preliminary Cost Estimate for Pending Health Care Legislation

Would you care to present some objective evidence to back up any of your assertions?

I didn't think so.
Thanks for adding the additional issues, e.g. reduced medical care for end-of-life patients, public funding for abortions, etc.

The savings, according to the CBO, are based on the Democrats' fuzzy math, e.g. double counting, etc. Crap in equals crap out. The CBO only runs the numbers based on the input given them. It is not the CBO's responsibility to question the numbers given them...thus any fuzzy math given to the CBO will give an incorrect estimation. There will not be a savings - there will be a HUGE added cost.
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