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Old 07-06-2012, 07:40 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Look up "AGenda 21" and "Democrats against UN Agenda 21". Look up ICLEI.org and see how many Rhode Island counties are members. If they are that means they have laid out the red carpet for the globalists to come in and take over RI with a handful of special interest groups raking in the dough all during the so called "sustainable development" process. You might be forced to give up your home in the process but it is all for the "greater good" . So you don't mind. Right?
So we can't have any economic development around a Train station or Rail line , god forbid we actually develop like we have been doing for the last 200 years in the Northeast. I'm sure Rhode Islanders would welcome more Global investments , the state has a stagnate economy and low population growth. New England in general has slow in the economic growth and population growth. I'm pretty sure no one was forced to give up there homes or businesses , Ive looked at all the Smart Growth Plans in New England no one was forced. Alot of the land was sold by the owners to Private developers , usually farmers looking for a way out sell their land.
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Old 07-06-2012, 07:40 PM
 
Location: SC
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I completely agree with you. Which is why I propose we stop building and maintaining roads too and let the private sector take care of all that. Because by 2030, the federal government is definitely going to charge you $30 in tolls (each way, of course and on top of the fuel costs which I'm sure will have stabilized by then at around $50 per gallon, and of course, maintenance fees, insurance, registration, etc.) to get to/from TF Green. I mean, they use our tax payer dollars to fund those highways (and smaller roads)!! The horror! It's a conspiracy. They built our entire freeway system without demolishing any homes (or entire neighborhoods for that matter), so why can't they do it with rail?! Did you see the commuter rail route to Wickford Jct? It looks like a swath of destruction from 1,000 earthquakes, tornadoes and hurricanes combined.

And speaking of "freedom" and "agenda" we should definitely not provide alternatives to car transport for our citizens. That's totally taking away freedom (simple logic says providing more options= less freedom, right?)! I mean without any public transit, then we could all easily choose to pay $3.50+ per gallon and sit in traffic all day. Now, no one in Wickford can make that choice any longer. They HAVE to take that train. It's really tragic when you think about it, isn't it.

Living next to highways is MUCH more pleasant than living near 100+ year old train tracks. I mean why have an occasional train roll by at set hours during the day when you can have constant exhaust and traffic noise 24/7? I think it's an easy choice.



Ok, enough sarcasm. Seriously, emily?
Just do your homework on Agenda 21. Rhode Island can afford it like a hole in the head. This country can afford it like a hole in the head. That is why SMART legislators in states that have their acts together are getting it banned from some states.
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Old 07-06-2012, 07:49 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Just do your homework on Agenda 21. Rhode Island can afford it like a hole in the head. This country can afford it like a hole in the head. That is why SMART legislators in states that have their acts together are getting it banned from some states.
Why don't you hold highways or roads to the same standards. Rail drives our economy in this region , a 3.1 Trillion Economy...towns and cities with Rail do better then towns and cities without Rail. First the Tea Party and far right say that everyone except the Northeast deserves Rail , now no one can have Rail?
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:07 PM
 
Location: SC
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Why don't you hold highways or roads to the same standards. Rail drives our economy in this region , a 3.1 Trillion Economy...towns and cities with Rail do better then towns and cities without Rail. First the Tea Party and far right say that everyone except the Northeast deserves Rail , now no one can have Rail?
What do you mean holding roads to the same standards?

I might not disagree with you if it was the PRIVATE SECTOR doing it. Anything the government sponsors ends up costing umpteen times more than it should and more than half the time it ends up being ill managed and a total waste! Look at public housing! Look at what a college education costs now that there are government backed student loans. Costs have skyrocketed because schools know they can count on the money. Tough beans for the kids that the education pales in comparison to what it used to be AND that they will be saddled with tens of thousands of dollars upon graduation with no job or means to pay off the loan. Back in the good old days before government got involved, kids got student aid from the schools and graduated debt free.

I'd like to see all these statistics from primary sources I'm "certain" (not) you must be referring to.

Sorry but I'm not sold on any of the "sustainable development' and "greening or "smart energy programs" AS PER ICLEI.org /Agenda 21. It sounds a little too good to be true and that is because IT IS.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:09 PM
 
Location: chepachet
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I still own property in RI and have spent most of my life there. That is why I care. I remember it from back in the days when there was a Ferry Boat connecting Jamestown and Newport.

Still, when the state doesn't have two cents to rub together the LAST thing it should be doing is extorting $$$ from Federal taxpayers to build a railroad that only 2000 people a day use. That is insane...and as I said before, a waste of money.

If the railroad was such a great idea, let private industry food the WHOLE bill and take the WHOLE RISK. Don't throw $33 Mil on the backs of out of state taxpayers UNBKNOWNST to them so 2000 Rhode Islanders don't have to use their cars to drive 20 minutes to Providence.

Right now if they want to they can take the bus. There is no reason to have a train TOO... especially at a cost like that.
since the train has only been in service since April , then 2000 pax is a great number. Once the fall season comes those numbers could improve. Obviously you still don't get. These passengers don't want to take a bus because it gets into the same traffic as their autos did. This project was planned for almost a decade and noone was extorted. Transportation funds are available to any state that has a qualifying project. Check out other mass transit projects such as light rail. In both Norfolk and Charlotte there were projects into the 100's of million of dollars. This was spent to move on average 5000 Virginians daily and 8000 North Carolinans daily and they are considered successes. 33 million was a bargain in terms of rail transit. I guess you feel that because our state finances have not been in order, hopefully improving, that we are not worthy of any Federal funding that is available to all the other states. We are fortunate that much of the infrastructure was already in place. BTW, if those 2000 passengers took buses it would mean at least an extra 20 buses would be needed, plus; drivers, replacement drivers, gas, garages, repair garages, etc. The current service to WS is just an extension of the Providence-Boston service already in place without any new employees or repair facilities. No new trains were needed. By your thinking I guess I should have been asked if the Myrtle Beach Airport needed to be completely rebuilt 10 years ago. Especially when Southwest ended up choosing two other airports in SC to serve. Which airline built that airport?
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:21 PM
 
Location: SC
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Well you are safe for now. No RI county has yet joined ICLEI.org but as you can see there are lots in MA and CT that have joined. Take this thread as a heads up. Don't let these Agenda 21 inspired programs slither in to Rhode Island because that is exactly how it operates. It sneaks in and sets up shop; and starts developing land without any citizens having a say. Then it is the citizens who eventually are on the hook for the cost of everything. It is BAD NEWS so be ON GUARD.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Rhode Island
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It is BAD NEWS so be ON GUARD.
Do you have any support for these allegations? Any whatsoever? If you do, please do make them available. I'd love to see them.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:45 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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--------------2000 - 2025 - 2050 Population

Greats Lakes : 54.1 - 64.7 - 71.6 Million
Northeastern Megapolis : 49.5 - 58.1 - 75.8 Million
Southern California : 24.9 - 34.8 - 39.3 Million
Texas Triangle : 16.5 - 26.8 - 38.1 Million
Florida : 14.7 - 21.4 - 31.5 Million
Piedmont Atlantic : 14.9 - 20.5 - 31.9 Million
Northern California : 12.7 - 17.3 - 21.1 Million
Gulf Coast : 11.7 - 15.8 - 23.6 Million
Cascadia : 10.2 - 12.5 - 24.6 Million
Arizona Sun Corridor : 5.7 - 7.4 - 12.3 Million
Front Range : 4.7 - 6.8 - 10.5 Million

United States Population in 2000 : 281.4 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2000 : 219 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2000 : 15 Million


United States Population in 2010 : 308.7 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2010 : 250 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2010 : 34 Million


United States Population by 2025 : 340 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2025 : 286.5 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2025 : 68 Million

United States Population by 2050 : 440 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2050 : 380 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2050 : 280 Million
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:06 PM
 
Location: SC
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Do you have any support for these allegations? Any whatsoever? If you do, please do make them available. I'd love to see them.
Yes. Go back and check all the things I TOLD people to check into:

For starters spend 8 mins listening to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7mnQHeGPrw

To see what communities have been sucked in, check this out ICLEI.ORG.

Research:

Agenda 21

Democrats against U.N. Agenda 21

Rosa Koire

BEHIND THE GREEN MASK

postsustainabilityinstitute.org


Also it should be pretty telling that the only person rebutting what I'm saying is OBVIOUSLY one of the lobbyists of "non-governmental organizations" that benefits from this. Note how in his "defense" of my observation that these "sustainable development" projects were a HUGE WASTE of taxpayer dollars when the taxpayers can least afford it, he could only turn to yet another project costing even MORE money that only a few people are taking advantage of that cost millions of dollars MORE!

I guess I was wrong, according to this counties from every state in the country are participating if not though ICLEI, through some other "smart growth" promoting organization. RI is probably involved that way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfUIW...eature=related

The above link is another good one to check out. It shows how these programs are railroaded through, no pun intended, as well as the dangers to our standard of living and more.

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Old 07-07-2012, 07:25 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Yes. Go back and check all the things I TOLD people to check into:

ICLEI.ORG

Agenda 21

Democrats against U.N. Agenda 21

Rosa Koire

BEHIND THE GREEN MASK


Also it should be pretty telling that the only person rebutting what I'm saying is OBVIOUSLY one of the lobbyists of "non-governmental organizations" that benefits from this. Note how in his "defense" of my observation that these "sustainable development" projects were a HUGE WASTE of taxpayer dollars when the taxpayers can least afford it, he could only turn to yet another project costing even MORE money that only a few people are taking advantage of that cost millions of dollars MORE!
Hmmm , but the RI Master Rail and Transit Plan is only expected to cost 2.5 Billion , but be used by close to 400,000....hardly a waste of tax payer $$$. The State is currently expanding and rehabbing Highways to a cost of 1 Billion... 2.5 Billion isn't all at once , its over 20 years....so evenly spread out. The Highways are over 5 years.... No one is losing there house or property , as development that comes with the Railway RI could use that. That also adds much need tax revenue...at no cost to the tax payer. Most of the New Rail lines and stations will be walk up stations with no developments planned and no parking....and zoning and most of these towns prevents development. Like ive said before most of the Northeast was built by the Railroads , whether its Providence or small Bristol , without the Railroads these towns wouldn't existence. Hench why people want them back , because they see how they can grow a towns economy. By Connecting small towns to cities , a dying town should be able to attract either population growth or Industrial growth. Also like ive said this phase 1 of a larger project....its not finished yet.

As for Agenda 21 , The far right seems to have its panties bunched up over a 20 year old non binding document...just like they have an issues with everything that doesn't fit there isolated ways. Isolation may work outside the Northeast , but in this region we work together and solve issues with community planning.
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