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Old 08-11-2013, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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Oh please, spare us your sermonizing. Everyone has the right to research a neighborhood- for any reason- that's what we're here for.

 
Old 08-12-2013, 04:09 AM
 
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Oh please, spare us your sermonizing. Everyone has the right to research a neighborhood- for any reason- that's what we're here for.
Yes, and I also have the right to comment on the ugliness of such "research."
 
Old 08-12-2013, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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And I have the right to comment on sermonizing about other's personal preferences.
I suppose you would say the same if he had asked about neighborhoods with primarily Jewish people or old people or students, or any other particular demographic?
 
Old 08-13-2013, 01:46 PM
 
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And I have the right to comment on sermonizing about other's personal preferences.
I suppose you would say the same if he had asked about neighborhoods with primarily Jewish people or old people or students, or any other particular demographic?
Of course, they're not the same. Seeking demographic information about Jewish folks could be simple an effort to locate near a synagogue or for the comfort of a like minded community. No racism there. Same for elderly or students. To say a neighborhood with a lot of elderly residents may be too quiet or one full of students may be too loud is a lifestyle preference. No bigotry there.

However, making comments equating the mere presence of blacks with bad neighborhoods or crime is racist.
 
Old 08-13-2013, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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However, making comments equating the mere presence of blacks with bad neighborhoods or crime is racist.

You can argue semantics 'til the cows come home but check the Provplan.org for a dose of reality. It will show crime statistics by neighborhood.
 
Old 08-13-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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You can argue semantics 'til the cows come home but check the Provplan.org for a dose of reality. It will show crime statistics by neighborhood.
I'm very familiar with those stats and the reality is not so simple minded. The crime/neighborhood correlation has much more to do with factors such as poverty, family structure, drugs, employment and the low rate owner-occupancy than skin color.
 
Old 08-13-2013, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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Sure, it all goes together. I simply defend a person's right to research (on any point) and move into any neighborhood of their personal choosing without being judged by the PC police.
 
Old 08-13-2013, 08:55 PM
 
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Let's not turn this into a p*****g contest. Generally speaking, South Providence is the area you want to avoid. I don't think the OP is racist. The reality in New England, though, is that there really is not enough black people living here to have a predominately middle/upper class black majority neighborhood. Sure there's Windsor, CT and Bloomfield, CT, full of upper middle class blacks, but that's it. Most middle/upper middle class black people in New England don't want to invest their money in places South Providence, the north end of Hartford, Roxbury, Brockton, Springfield or New Haven. They want the same things everyone else does, safety, good schools, etc, (DUH). If the OP was talking about suburban areas of Atlanta or DC, we would be having a much different conversation, but let's not kid ourselves.
 
Old 08-14-2013, 04:16 AM
 
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Let's not turn this into a p*****g contest. Generally speaking, South Providence is the area you want to avoid. I don't think the OP is racist. The reality in New England, though, is that there really is not enough black people living here to have a predominately middle/upper class black majority neighborhood. Sure there's Windsor, CT and Bloomfield, CT, full of upper middle class blacks, but that's it. Most middle/upper middle class black people in New England don't want to invest their money in places South Providence, the north end of Hartford, Roxbury, Brockton, Springfield or New Haven. They want the same things everyone else does, safety, good schools, etc, (DUH). If the OP was talking about suburban areas of Atlanta or DC, we would be having a much different conversation, but let's not kid ourselves.
If you're saying the neighborhood issue the OP introduced should more rightly be a discussion of class than race, I would probably agree. I do however know several people owning beautiful houses in the historic parts of the minority Elmwood and West End neighborhoods of Providence - who are upper middle income ($100,000+), highly educated and love it. They could live/buy anywhere in Rhode Island and don't live where they do because it's all they can afford.
 
Old 08-14-2013, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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Got it. Being a classist is OK.
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