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Old 02-12-2014, 10:41 AM
 
Location: College Hill
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As much as Mazze acts as a conservative shill, he does usually bring balance to the Rhode Island economic conversation. But, in this case he's way off base and demonstrates he knows little about what makes the heart and soul of a city.
Google him. Read what his students say about him. See what he says about his students. The guy is a, well, you know. Begins with "A"

Downtown is nothing without that building -- it's our Empire State Building.
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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Agreed 100%.

But... Oh, no, the solution is simple! Pour $50-$100 million into a highly speculative cloverleaf development on the water, with 80% of it covered in clover and parking and fuggetaboutit downtown! WHAT COULD GO WRONG! I mean, this city clealry knows how to wisely invest in our future!

So long as the lantern shines on the Superman building, even if vacant, all is right with the world! Just don''t obscure my view of the river!

Yawn. It's that sort of provincial East Side "thinking" that's led to the stunning decline of this city. If I wanted bad planning/bad development, I'd swiftly pack my kit and move back to Manhattan, which may not be a bad idea, as this sort of nonsense is an everyday occurrence here. I mean, let's defy every known concept of urban development, let's forget about the many "missing teeth" of downtown and instead focus on a shiny, if utterly ephemeral new object!

Wanted/Needed: new thinking. The old folks have screwed up enough, thank you.
Who's thinking provincially? Are you saying you think the I195 development and the Fleet Center shouldn't or can't take place simultaneously?

Plans go back years for the freeway I195 moving project. That land was always assumed to be part of a new development for the city. As for public money being put into the basic infrastructure, I believe developers usually add basic improvements to the plots (water pipes, electrical, etc) and then get their money back from the person/s who buy the land to build on it.

All the Fleet Center needs is a buyer with vision and money. High Rock bought it assuming they were going to be heavily subsidized- now they're holding the bag. They need to sell the building to someone who can make it happen.
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:08 PM
 
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Absolutely, they need to sell it to someone who can make it happen. Unfortunately, the building's worth less than $0 as it sits today. Now what?
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Old 02-12-2014, 02:07 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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Absolutely, they need to sell it to someone who can make it happen. Unfortunately, the building's worth less than $0 as it sits today. Now what?
The city and state are going to have to cough up some money, perhaps serious money. It cannot stay vacant. I'm sorry to be so passionate about this and probably angering or boring other posters, but, as you said, the building is downtown. As a ex-boss liked to say, "Don't fix the blame, fix the problem." And fix KP while doing it. C'mon, this used to be a city of big ideas -- moving rivers, moving rail tracks. Used to read about PVD in the NY Times all the time as a miracle come-back city. Where's that energy now, now that we need it? Where's the vision? (And... it's just one building, and we ain't Detroit, so it's totally fixable.)
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Old 02-12-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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The city and state are going to have to cough up some money, perhaps serious money. It cannot stay vacant. I'm sorry to be so passionate about this and probably angering or boring other posters, but, as you said, the building is downtown. As a ex-boss liked to say, "Don't fix the blame, fix the problem." And fix KP while doing it. C'mon, this used to be a city of big ideas -- moving rivers, moving rail tracks. Used to read about PVD in the NY Times all the time as a miracle come-back city. Where's that energy now, now that we need it? Where's the vision? (And... it's just one building, and we ain't Detroit, so it's totally fixable.)
Sounds like the clarion call for the 3rd rein of Mayor Buddy Cianci!
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:01 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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Uh, maybe the building isn't that important.

Funny, though, that when Don (or Donna) Carceri was in office, that loathsome, hateful anti-equality Republican extremist, the state had no hesitation in coughing up serious money for a totally, obviously bad investment. Were palmed greased?
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:59 PM
 
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Uh, maybe the building isn't that important.

Funny, though, that when Don (or Donna) Carceri was in office, that loathsome, hateful anti-equality Republican extremist, the state had no hesitation in coughing up serious money for a totally, obviously bad investment. Were palmed greased?

Don "Carcieri", is that who you meant to say? I know how RI is SO much better off with that pathetic, hateful, anti-family, Liberal extremist Chafee and his $38m embarrassment.

As for the Superman, the only chance of success is if they turn it into "affordable housing" for NYers whos bennies have run out.
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Old 02-13-2014, 01:35 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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I e-mailed Speaker Fox in support of major incentives to the developer. Got this response:


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Thank you for writing to me in favor of providing state assistance to the Superman Building. I agree with your sentiments that it is disturbing to see such an iconic building in downtown Providence vacant. I have been a Providence resident my entire life and I understand the value that such an important building brings to our city. However, the developer of the project was seeking about $30 million in state assistance last year, and in these difficult budgetary times, we believed that the cost was too steep. The developer was eligible for $5 million in historic tax credits from the state but chose not to apply.

The developer has not submitted a request this year for state assistance. Should he do so, we will carefully review the request and our House Finance Committee will hold a public hearing. Thank you again for expressing your support on behalf of this project.

Sincerely,

Speaker Gordon D. Fox
Doesn't sound encouraging. When I have time over the weekend, I intend to follow-up and to pester members of the House Finance Committee, at least those not in jail or pending sentencing.
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Old 03-07-2014, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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Update:

Paolino strikes again and scoops up another iconic downtown building.

Paolino Properties purchases historic Cherry & Webb building | WPRI 12
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Old 03-07-2014, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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"The building also formerly housed WPRI-TV, which was then WPRO-TV, during its debut in 1055."

Wow, that station has been around for a LONG time
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