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Old 02-26-2015, 03:14 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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I mean I'm always open minded...
I can honestly say that "open minded" is not a quality I would ever assign to you. Ever. And that's okay, you are what you are. And a bit of extremism is good for the occasional chuckle.

Even many leading law enforcement officials want legalization of marijuana. But I don't like the pitch that's it's good for revenue. Either the drug is non-harmful, as much as any drug can be, or it is not, and studies show it is certainly less harmful than cigarettes, which, are, you know, legal.
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Old 02-26-2015, 03:29 PM
 
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I can honestly say that "open minded" is not a quality I would ever assign to you.
That is your opinion of me (baseless as it is), that you are well entitled to.

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And a bit of extremism is good for the occasional chuckle.
You must amuse yourself greatly then!

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Even many leading law enforcement officials want legalization of marijuana.
Sure, because so much of their time is devoted to "processing" it, and devoting their attention away from more important things. That's really a separate topic than I was speaking of however, and many in law enforcement remain against it (as they see the effects it has on society).


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But I don't like the pitch that's it's good for revenue. Either the drug is non-harmful, as much as any drug can be, or it is not, and studies show it is certainly less harmful than cigarettes, which, are, you know, legal.
True I'm against vice taxes in principal, but I don't recall anyone here suggesting that cigarettes were not harmful. More harmful than MJ? That's a hard sell, I would love to know what studies show that. Keep in mind that FAR more is spent combating the tobacco industry and its products than marijuana, probably due to them (companies) being much bigger targets (it is legal after all).
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Old 02-26-2015, 03:50 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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True I'm against vice taxes in principal, but I don't recall anyone here suggesting that cigarettes were not harmful. More harmful than MJ? That's a hard sell, I would love to know what studies show that. Keep in mind that FAR more is spent combating the tobacco industry and its products than marijuana, probably due to them (companies) being much bigger targets (it is legal after all).
You want, you got!

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The safety of marijuana versus booze is not a new claim but, for the first time, researchers measured the potential harm of these drugs in a more quantitative way — that is, by comparing a lethal dose to how much of the substance is typically consumed socially.

Their findings showed the dangers of marijuana "may have been overestimated in the past", while the risk of alcohol has been "commonly underestimated," researchers said.
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You are 114 times more likely to die from overdosing on alchohol than you are from cannabis, a recent study has found.
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And all the way at the bottom of the list? Weed — roughly 114 times less deadly than booze, according to the authors, who ran calculations that compared lethal doses of a given substance with the amount that a typical person uses. Marijuana is also the only drug studied that posed a low mortality risk to its users.
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The research claimed only two deaths worldwide could be directly attributed to marijuana each year, while 150,000 people in Britain die from alcohol and tobacco. “Many of the harms associated with cannabis use are the result of prohibition itself,” the report stated, “particularly the social harms arising from arrest and imprisonment.”
There are a few thousand more cites on The Google. Use it - GIYF.

I don't doubt that reefer impairs one's ability to drive or operate machinery, so I hope the police have to detection tools necessary to NAIL drivers who are high and punish them in the very same manner they do with alcohol.
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Old 02-26-2015, 04:51 PM
 
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You want, you got!









There are a few thousand more cites on The Google. Use it - GIYF.

I don't doubt that reefer impairs one's ability to drive or operate machinery, so I hope the police have to detection tools necessary to NAIL drivers who are high and punish them in the very same manner they do with alcohol.
I'm still waiting Mr. Alfie. Those articles were all about the dangers of MJ vs. alcohol. You said cigarettes are more harmful, let's address that please.
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Old 02-26-2015, 05:10 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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I'm still waiting Mr. Alfie. Those articles were all about the dangers of MJ vs. alcohol. You said cigarettes are more harmful, let's address that please.
First cite, first line:

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Recreational pot — legalized in Washington, D.C. on Thursday and decriminalized Tuesday in Alaska — is less dangerous than both alcohol and tobacco, scientists assert.
Now, I don't mind school you young'uns, but do try to keep up -- show some initiative!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-bgYxMO5cY
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Old 02-26-2015, 06:03 PM
 
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First cite, first line:



Now, I don't mind school you young'uns, but do try to keep up -- show some initiative!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-bgYxMO5cY
OK buddy at least ONE of your cites mentions something. Unfortunately, I just don't have the time to go reading into that lengthly report and what/how they drew that conclusion.

But I was able to dig up a few of my own.

Study Says Smoking Marijuana Worse for Lungs than Cigarettes - Partnership for Drug-Free Kids

Smoking One Joint is Equivalent to 20 Cigarettes, Study Says | Fox News

Cannabis smoking 'more harmful' than tobacco - 11 November 2002 - New Scientist

Marijuana Legalization May Make Pot More Dangerous Than Legal Tobacco And Alcohol?

Marijuana more dangerous to smoke than cigarettes
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Old 02-26-2015, 06:16 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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I accept your concession. The rest is hemming, hawing, back-tracking and diversion -- won't do; just won't do.

If you wish to engage me, come prepared. Now clean up your bloodied nose, and lick your wounds (but not noisily), m'kay?

Ciao, babe.
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Old 02-26-2015, 06:20 PM
 
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i accept your concession. The rest is hemming, hawing, back-tracking and diversion -- won't do; just won't do.

if you wish to engage me, come prepared. Now clean up your bloodied nose, and lick your wounds (but not noisly), m'kay?

Ciao, babe.
lmao!!!:d
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Old 02-26-2015, 06:22 PM
 
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Through the smoky haze of this debate, I offer this: Given that the Woodstock Generation is in the process of retiring, if Rhode Island were to legalize marijuana, it might just be a way to attract retirees to the state. If nothing else, "couch-lock" could be "a way to keep retirees at home". See what I just did there?
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Old 02-26-2015, 06:37 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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^ I know little of the history of the Woodstock Generation, apart from blurry photos, and some awful music and tasteless haircuts and crappy "fashion." It is not a period that holds any interest to me.

I struggle with the remainder of your post; it's all really rather silly. People make retirement decisions based on factors far more important than where they can cop their next z.
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