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My conclusion is that what's going on in the present is completely unacceptable. Pointing out that more violent crimes were reported in 1981 or 1991 doesn't make it any more acceptable. I actually feel it is a reprehensible way of minimizing a serious problem.
On Thursday afternoon, a Providence school bus carrying elementary school kids was driving down Alverson Ave in the Hartford neighborhood. When the school bus stopped at the intersection of Alverson Ave and Hartford Ave, dozens of elementary school children witnessed a man in a red car sticking his hand out of his car window and spraying bullets into the air.
NBC 10 News spoke to the parent of a 5-year-old girl who was on the bus at the time the shots were fired.
“My daughter got off the bus, she said she heard three gunshots and then had to get on the floor,” said the woman, who didn’t want to be identified. "She was shaking, she grabbed me and was like, 'Mommy are you ok? Are you ok?' I was kind of confused about why she asked if I was because she said she heard three gunshots."
"She should be getting off the bus and be excited like, 'Oh mommy I did this in school,' or, 'Mommy look what I made.' Not, 'Mommy I heard three gunshots go off and was told to get on the floor'," added the woman. "That’s just unreal."
mr2448, maybe you should go to Carnevale Elementary School in Providence and tell all of the 5 and 6 year old kids (who are having nightmares and are now terrified to ride the bus) that it's not a big deal because you have a crime stat chart that shows crime was worse 20 or 30 years before they were born.
My conclusion is that what's going on in the present is completely unacceptable. Pointing out that more violent crimes were reported in 1981 or 1991 doesn't make it any more acceptable. I actually feel it is a reprehensible way of minimizing a serious problem.
What's also unacceptable is the vast majority of serious crime is concentrated in the usual small pockets of RI ie. Providence, Pawtucket, Central Falls, etc. Out of sight, out of mind for the vast majority. Same ole, nothing new here to see folks.
My conclusion is that what's going on in the present is completely unacceptable. Pointing out that more violent crimes were reported in 1981 or 1991 doesn't make it any more acceptable. I actually feel it is a reprehensible way of minimizing a serious problem.
On Thursday afternoon, a Providence school bus carrying elementary school kids was driving down Alverson Ave in the Hartford neighborhood. When the school bus stopped at the intersection of Alverson Ave and Hartford Ave, dozens of elementary school children witnessed a man in a red car sticking his hand out of his car window and spraying bullets into the air.
NBC 10 News spoke to the parent of a 5-year-old girl who was on the bus at the time the shots were fired.
“My daughter got off the bus, she said she heard three gunshots and then had to get on the floor,” said the woman, who didn’t want to be identified. "She was shaking, she grabbed me and was like, 'Mommy are you ok? Are you ok?' I was kind of confused about why she asked if I was because she said she heard three gunshots."
"She should be getting off the bus and be excited like, 'Oh mommy I did this in school,' or, 'Mommy look what I made.' Not, 'Mommy I heard three gunshots go off and was told to get on the floor'," added the woman. "That’s just unreal."
mr2448, maybe you should go to Carnevale Elementary School in Providence and tell all of the 5 and 6 year old kids (who are having nightmares and are now terrified to ride the bus) that it's not a big deal because you have a crime stat chart that shows crime was worse 20 or 30 years before they were born.
like I said, make your own conclusions. I went to a respectable elementary school in Providence some 60 years ago and an 11 year old shot an 8 year old. Some 3 years later in Jr. High two kids were killed with a hand gun. I gave you information and yes it is reprehensible what happened on Alverson Street. But once again this is not just a Providence or Rhode Island thing as you continue to point these crimes out on this site. It happens everywhere and it is a society deficiency and our state and capital city is no different.
like I said, make your own conclusions. I went to a respectable elementary school in Providence some 60 years ago and an 11 year old shot an 8 year old. Some 3 years later in Jr. High two kids were killed with a hand gun. I gave you information and yes it is reprehensible what happened on Alverson Street. But once again this is not just a Providence or Rhode Island thing as you continue to point these crimes out on this site. It happens everywhere and it is a society deficiency and our state and capital city is no different.
With due respect (and forgive me if I'm misinterpreting it), only thing the data shows is that RI has tracked national crime trends. If one thing is perhaps unique about RI, it's that crime tends to be more localized than many other places. That of course, is not relevant to the figures you linked.
With due respect (and forgive me if I'm misinterpreting it), only thing the data shows is that RI has tracked national crime trends. If one thing is perhaps unique about RI, it's that crime tends to be more localized than many other places. That of course, is not relevant to the figures you linked.
no, this is from a national site in which I just extracted Rhode Island data. All the other states are posted also.
like I said, make your own conclusions. I went to a respectable elementary school in Providence some 60 years ago and an 11 year old shot an 8 year old. Some 3 years later in Jr. High two kids were killed with a hand gun. I gave you information and yes it is reprehensible what happened on Alverson Street. But once again this is not just a Providence or Rhode Island thing as you continue to point these crimes out on this site. It happens everywhere and it is a society deficiency and our state and capital city is no different.
Who said it was just a Providence or RI thing? What's your point?
It sounds like you don't like my posts. That's ok. Feel free to skip over them.
like I said, make your own conclusions. I went to a respectable elementary school in Providence some 60 years ago and an 11 year old shot an 8 year old. Some 3 years later in Jr. High two kids were killed with a hand gun. I gave you information and yes it is reprehensible what happened on Alverson Street. But once again this is not just a Providence or Rhode Island thing as you continue to point these crimes out on this site. It happens everywhere and it is a society deficiency and our state and capital city is no different.
Well said. Context is everything. Crime in Rhode Island reflects urban problems nationwide. Absolutely nothing is happening in Providence/Pawtucket/Central Falls that isn't happening across the urban America to one degree or another. The solution, if there is one, is not just a Rhode Island solution, but an American solution.
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Well said. Context is everything. Crime in Rhode Island reflects urban problems nationwide. Absolutely nothing is happening in Providence/Pawtucket/Central Falls that isn't happening across the urban America to one degree or another. The solution, if there is one, is not just a Rhode Island solution, but an American solution.
Could things be better? Sure. Are they way better than they were? Of course. Could we make them much better? Yes, but there isn't the political will from society to do so; and much of that is due to the romantic American ethos fallacies that are so ingrained into our society (pull yourself up by your bootstraps! the only one holding you back is you! this is the land of opportunity, if you can't make it here, you can't make it anywhere! addiction/disease/etc are moral issues! blah blah puke)
That said, anyone with two peas to rub together in their noggin knows not to use anecdotal evidence or reports of singular events to show that there is a problem. Wherever you find humans you will find some problems. More humans = more problems, that is a far cry from saying that a place is problematic.
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Could things be better? Sure. Are they way better than they were? Of course. Could we make them much better? Yes, but there isn't the political will from society to do so; and much of that is due to the romantic American ethos fallacies that are so ingrained into our society (pull yourself up by your bootstraps! the only one holding you back is you! this is the land of opportunity, if you can't make it here, you can't make it anywhere! addiction/disease/etc are moral issues! blah blah puke)
That said, anyone with two peas to rub together in their noggin knows not to use anecdotal evidence or reports of singular events to show that there is a problem. Common sense is apparently in very short supply in these parts.
It's wrong that there is no Privilege here. Wrong that, in America, at birth we all started at the same opportunity point in life. Wrong that those who fall into crime, drugs & addiction, even poverty are somehow lesser by nature. Wrong they had the same chances in life the rest of us had.....only they blew it.
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