Richmond area is still solidly red and conservative (school, eat)

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by Bigfoot424

Trump lost and I accept this. He was an a** and did not hide it. But the far left liberals scare the hell out of me as much as the far right scares me. But you speak of the "younger people." No doubt many of these young folks will go on to do great things. But I am seeing more and more that these younger people seem to be addicted to the cell phones and they fail to learn how to be a productive person in the real world. A friend helps lead a tech school near me and he says the vast majority coming in have no clue what a crescent wrench is when asked and many do not know the difference between a slotted and phillips head screwdrivers. They've become softer and softer and hard work is foreign to many.

I learned the two different screwdriver types as Phillips and flathead. Same thing?

That said, with the decline of manufacturing/blue-collar work and rural areas in general, it's no wonder that general knowledge of tools and such isn't as common as it used to be. This doesn't mean they don't have the capacity to learn these things, but they aren't being taught them.

[Babe_Ruth]

Originally Posted by webster

"Federally occupied." We lost the War, its time to move on.

Very true, the War is over.. but truth is carpetbagging hasn't stopped. Northern Virginia has been essentially carpetbagged by transplanted government workers.

[Bigfoot424]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

I learned the two different screwdriver types as Phillips and flathead. Same thing?

That said, with the decline of manufacturing/blue-collar work and rural areas in general, it's no wonder that general knowledge of tools and such isn't as common as it used to be. This doesn't mean they don't have the capacity to learn these things, but they aren't being taught them.

Yes. Flathead or slotted works for most folks.

[webster]

I become more conservative about fiscal matters as I age, but not on "social" issues. Unfortunately, on fiscal issues, the GOP is no longer a responsible party at the national level and at the state level, both parties have to tow to the line of a balanced budget.

Our last GOP governor, McDonnell, didn't exactly look conservative when it came to fiscal matters. He proposed $44M in budget amendments over what the legislature proposed, some were approved and some not from tax credits to businesses, to $2M to lure movie companies to VA. There were also some social programs included.

These were not necessarily bad proposals, but hardly in line with limited government. Instead, even though to the right on the political spectrum, it represented the middle way which usually is the VA way. When we have strayed from that in 1861 or with massive resistance, we always loose.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by Babe_Ruth

Very true, the War is over.. but truth is carpetbagging hasn't stopped. Northern Virginia has been essentially carpetbagged by transplanted government workers.

That's called growth. Regardless of cause, major urban growth spurts lead to widespread demographic, socioeconomic, political, and cultural changes.

[webster]

I was surprised to see a graph at the Virginia Museum of History and Culture of the number of people who live in VA who were not born here. It has nothing to do with "carpetbaggers." Its just part of living in the US where we can move. If complaining about government workers consider the number of military and their families in Hampton Roads who were not born here. The number of skilled workers who were not born in VA but work in the shipyards, and why not, a skilled welder at Newport News shipyard can make over $100,000 a year and there is now a shortage of them. In central VA there is such a large number of immigrants from south Asia, Henrico built more cricket fields. Imagine, not baseball, not football, but cricket. I don't think these immigrants would be considered carpetbaggers.

[spencer114]

Not only are they not carpet baggers, it isn’t a new development. Tidewater and Northern Virginia have been populated with transplants for 60-80 years.

Just because provincial people just started paying attention doesn’t mean anything new is happening.

[webster]

At what point is someone not a carpetbagger? Were the First Families of Virginia (FFV's) carpet baggers? Maybe anyone who was not one of the ancients (later settlers at Jamestown referred to the surviving settlers of the early colony as the ancients). In fact, VA has always had immigration. After all who doesn't want to be a Viriginian?

“To be a Virginian either by Birth, Marriage, Adoption, or even on one’s Mother’s side, is an Introduction to any State in the Union, a Passport to any Foreign Country, and a Benediction from Above.”

The Virginia Creed
—Anonymous

Who are we to deny people the right to live here?

[Bigfoot424]

Originally Posted by webster

At what point is someone not a carpetbagger? Were the First Families of Virginia (FFV's) carpet baggers? Maybe anyone who was not one of the ancients (later settlers at Jamestown referred to the surviving settlers of the early colony as the ancients). In fact, VA has always had immigration. After all who doesn't want to be a Viriginian?

“To be a Virginian either by Birth, Marriage, Adoption, or even on one’s Mother’s side, is an Introduction to any State in the Union, a Passport to any Foreign Country, and a Benediction from Above.”

The Virginia Creed
—Anonymous

Who are we to deny people the right to live here?

You should hear folks in Florida. At least those born and raised there for generations. I was born there but moved to VA as a teen. But many of my family have been there for generations. Some of them, as well as some others I know from Fla, bemoan all the northerners moving into Fla. They tease that those from NYC and Jersey have no idea how to speak English.

[Ebck120]

Originally Posted by Bigfoot424

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You should hear folks in Florida. At least those born and raised there for generations. I was born there but moved to VA as a teen. But many of my family have been there for generations. Some of them, as well as some others I know from Fla, bemoan all the northerners moving into Fla. They tease that those from NYC and Jersey have no idea how to speak English.

But Virginia is not Florida... we are not the butt of many geographical jokes i.e. "The Florida Man". You seem to have brought your ideal to Virginia but thats ok because Virginia is welcoming of all, we're not a state overrun with rednecks and their whites only ideologies