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Old 01-23-2011, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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Lol, you telling me that I'm the only person in Rochester with these same ideas? Something tells me I'm not, and I'm going to assume that there are people out there with similar visions with more means than I have to accomplish things, and I still don't see anything getting done. I spend 10 minutes a day on here. It takes more than 10 minutes a day to have an impact on city planning. Good for you that you live in a state of mind where change is possible in this day and age, but I don't. Government is too big and too corrupt nowadays to get anything done without some deep pockets and shady connections to bad people.
Such a predictable response. Come-on! How 'bout mixing it up a bit?

And your logic is built like a circle / self-fulfilling prophecy....
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Old 01-23-2011, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Rochester NY (western NY)
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Instead of using big words and not explaining your points, how about you give it a while and tell me exactly what you mean?
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Old 01-23-2011, 03:40 PM
 
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I hope I'm not misrepresenting purdue, but I believe he means that by dismissing any idea of progress happening in Rochester because there are just " too many" problems, that you are adding to the problems. You can't blame government or certain segments of the population or anyone else for being the sole contributors to problems; because that very attitude itself is a significant part of the problems.
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Old 01-30-2011, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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Well-put @I'minformed2... That's right on.

Look -There ARE serious problems in Rochester. I'm extremely realistic about this... And there have been VERY bad policy and spending decisions made in the past by Rochester leadership... Nobody is trying to ignore these facts. Like many other rust-belt cities, Rochester is struggling with how to transform itself and compete effectively.

But the idea that past bad decisions and outcomes mean that we are forever doomed to a darker future just doesn't make sense. In fact, it's downright un-American.

Our democracy is founded on the idea that when situations like ours arise, we have 'checks and balances' in place to be able to reign them back in. You know, "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely..." So in very practical terms, it means that the bad decision-makers are voted out by the community when they drive in the wrong direction. That's the very design of our system as established by the Federal Constitution, State Constitution, Rochester Charter, etc, etc...

Again, in very very practical terms: By Law you have been given certain power (albeit small) in the form of a vote. Our founding fathers believed that this was the safest approach. This way, many many people, each holding a little power, could band together and make BIG CHANGE when appropriate. But no single person could unilaterally do this (because absolute power corrupts absolutely) ... so on and so forth...

When you decide that your vote doesn't count (which is essentially the tone of most of your posts) and then complain about a lack of progress, you really have no one to blame for the lack of progress then yourself. As @I'minformed2 so much more succinctly stated:

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by dismissing any idea of progress happening in Rochester because there are just " too many" problems, that you are adding to the problems. You can't blame government or certain segments of the population or anyone else for being the sole contributors to problems; because that very attitude itself is a significant part of the problems.
I've never been brief. Sorry. But you asked for

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Instead of using big words and not explaining your points, how about you give it a while and tell me exactly what you mean?
I believe this post qualified....

Conclusion: I have a strong suspicion that you knew all of this and are just baiting me so you can keep driving the negativity train... :-)
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Old 01-30-2011, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Rochester NY (western NY)
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Your entire rant is based off of the belief that our modern day political system is made up of bad people that could otherwise be replaced with good people. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but neither side is good. Corruption has taken over and there are no more "I'll be the good guy to fight on the behalf of the betterment of society", they're almost all bad guys. And the good ones that might actually want to make a difference are quieted by the agenda-driven corrupt and prevented the opportunity to introduce change.

My vote doesn't count, and neither does yours or anyone else, and the proof is in the form of career politicians and their supporting lobbyists. I wish it weren't true, and if you can provide proof somewhere else showing that my views are clouded and flat out wrong, by all means, please shed some light on me.
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Old 01-30-2011, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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Your entire rant
I believe my "baiting" point has been made.

Asking someone to respond with more details and then calling it a rant = dirty pool.
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Old 01-30-2011, 04:47 PM
 
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My vote doesn't count, and neither does yours or anyone else, and the proof is in the form of career politicians and their supporting lobbyists.
I agree with this. I believe it's worse at the federal level at the very top of government is is infected by money. The US is more a plutocracy each day. More people realize this but still have yet to admit it.
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:16 AM
 
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I agree with this. I believe it's worse at the federal level at the very top of government is is infected by money. The US is more a plutocracy each day. More people realize this but still have yet to admit it.
I am more apt to say capitalist bureauocracy. What has happened in the Rochester area isn't anything new and occurs in other regions. My brother in VA was telling about similar things occurring in that state's Tidewater/Hampton Roads area. So, this isn't exclusive to Rochester, NY or the NE.
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Rochester NY (western NY)
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Nobody ever said it's specific to Rochester. Anyone who doesn't admit or see that it's affected just about the entire country would be blind. Obviously it's not specific to Rochester, I don't know why you even bothered to throw the part about Rochester or the NE region in that post.
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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Nobody ever said it's specific to Rochester. Anyone who doesn't admit or see that it's affected just about the entire country would be blind. Obviously it's not specific to Rochester, I don't know why you even bothered to throw the part about Rochester or the NE region in that post.
I mentioned that because that is the assumprion and people act like they are running away from something by going "Down South".
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