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Old 05-24-2012, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Northern MN
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A question for you..

Would you be okay with the occasional (say, once every three days) passerby one of the trails that traditionally existed on your land, and does not come in view of any house?
So those are your foot prints?
Just a fyi I'm going to be hiding a trail cam to get proof.

I post my property for the safety of others and it is mine to use.
Just because it is out of site is not a justification to use the trail.

Is it ok for me to barrow your car if I use it and bring it back with out your knowledge?

 
Old 05-24-2012, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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My land is 'posted' as: "No hunting without permission from owner"

Hunters generally take one moose and one bear from my land each year. I don't hunt, my freezer is already full.

Someone went 'mudding' on my land close to 10 years ago [before I owned it]. The ruts are still there. Three foot deep and they hold water. I can't get in there to do anything with the ruts, so they will remain for many decades. Driving a vehicle on soft land, leaves scars that do not go away quickly.

People come through here picking fiddleheads. I post on Freecycle offering anyone to come here to cut their firewood. I am listed at the local food-pantry offering folks who want to cut firewood for themselves, to come out.

A few times, unknown 'hunters' have came across my land, and fired rounds very close to my house. I do not appreciate that. By law they are supposed to stay 100-yards from any house. But the forest is dense, they get disoriented, they do not know where they are, and they do not have my permission to be hunting here.
 
Old 05-24-2012, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I'm pretty much in agreement with the folks here, along with wondering where WAS your mother when you were growing up that she didn't teach you that you don't use things belonging to other people without their explicit permission? At least, that's the impression that the wording of your original post gives, that you are upset that someone might want their own property that they, not you, purchased and paid for, "all to themselves".

I'm more than happy to allow people that have followed the law and common courtesy by asking to cross my land. My neighbors are more than welcome to enter it to retrieve their wandering livestock or return my own or for necessary fence mending, and vice versa. These permissions were achieved through the time-honored practice of ASKING for it up front and explaining why.

How about I cut through your house because it's a shorter way for me to get where I'm going? You fine with that, even though you don't know me from Adam?
 
Old 05-24-2012, 01:11 PM
 
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I'm pretty much in agreement with the folks here, along with wondering where WAS your mother when you were growing up that she didn't teach you that you don't use things belonging to other people without their explicit permission? At least, that's the impression that the wording of your original post gives, that you are upset that someone might want their own property that they, not you, purchased and paid for, "all to themselves".

I'm more than happy to allow people that have followed the law and common courtesy by asking to cross my land. My neighbors are more than welcome to enter it to retrieve their wandering livestock or return my own or for necessary fence mending, and vice versa. These permissions were achieved through the time-honored practice of ASKING for it up front and explaining why.

How about I cut through your house because it's a shorter way for me to get where I'm going? You fine with that, even though you don't know me from Adam?
My mother was where I was, grew up in socialism/communism. Yes, we had private property and yes, we respected it. However, almost all of nature was public for everyone to enjoy. I understand legally the concept of someone owning 5,000 acres with rivers and hills, however on a deeper level I find it incredibly flawed. Just like the Native Indians did when Europeans showed up.

OD
 
Old 05-24-2012, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Stuck in NE GA right now
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When you start payin' for my land then we'll talk, otherwise if you ignore my private property no tresspassing signs I will call the police and proscute for criminal tresspassing.
 
Old 05-24-2012, 04:13 PM
 
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My mother was where I was, grew up in socialism/communism. Yes, we had private property and yes, we respected it. However, almost all of nature was public for everyone to enjoy. I understand legally the concept of someone owning 5,000 acres with rivers and hills, however on a deeper level I find it incredibly flawed. Just like the Native Indians did when Europeans showed up.

OD
IMHO it's a little tasteless to move from your homeland to another country and expect said county to embrace your world view. If you don't like it here then you can move back. Besides it's not like America doesn't have public lands.

You could always ask permission from the land owner - maybe offer up a free helping hand once in a while?
 
Old 05-24-2012, 05:10 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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The right to use unenclosed land is protected in my state's constitution. It's a very old tradition here. Most of those who post their land here are city types who've moved in and hate hunting, etc. Of course when a coyote kills their pet or the deer and bears destroy their gardens, the beavers flood the land, etc., some of them start to change their mind. The law here protects landowners from liability if they do not post their land. If a person hurts themself here on unposted private land, the owner can't be held liable. The same is not true of posted land where people are invited to use it. A simple posted sign is not enough to make land legally posted here either. It needs to be signed and dated eachg year and registered with the town clerk, and they must be of a certain size, distance, etc. Alternatively, a person can create a "safety zone" around their actual house to keep people from shooting too close.
 
Old 05-24-2012, 05:28 PM
 
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A question for you...do you post it simply because you do not want activities that could alter the land (parties, motorized recreation, etc.), or do you post it because you want the land ALL TO YOURSELF and do not want ANYBODY on the land?

Would you be okay with the occasional (say, once every three days) passerby one of the trails that traditionally existed on your land, and does not come in view of any house?
I think they post it because they own the land and do not want people trespassig on their land;plain and simple.
 
Old 05-24-2012, 05:38 PM
 
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if everyone behaved as they should people wouldn't have to post or fence their land.
We lived in a semi rural area at one time and had a large wooded lot behind the house. One day I kept hearing chain saws back towards the road that skirted the edge of our property. Out of curiosity I went to investigate and found men were cutting trees in the wooded area. I found 2 fresh stumps on my land, informed them this was all private property and they drove off. I'd have checked their licence plates to report them, but I was carrying an infant at the time and had 2 young girls tagging along.

I have some neighbors who bought the small semi wooded vacant lot next to their house to gain some privacy. They used to find people picnicking on it, leaving trash, building campfires, and sometimes peering into their windows.
 
Old 05-24-2012, 06:51 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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if everyone behaved as they should people wouldn't have to post or fence their land.
We lived in a semi rural area at one time and had a large wooded lot behind the house. One day I kept hearing chain saws back towards the road that skirted the edge of our property. Out of curiosity I went to investigate and found men were cutting trees in the wooded area. I found 2 fresh stumps on my land, informed them this was all private property and they drove off. I'd have checked their licence plates to report them, but I was carrying an infant at the time and had 2 young girls tagging along.

I have some neighbors who bought the small semi wooded vacant lot next to their house to gain some privacy. They used to find people picnicking on it, leaving trash, building campfires, and sometimes peering into their windows.
You know I had someone peering in my window one time , you know what met him ? a big dog (irish wolfhound ) and a 5'7 woman with a winchester riffle in her hand . He jumped back and called me crazy he was a homeless person and Im sure he was looking for something to steal . I have always liked having big dogs for that very reason deters people real quick . Yep look in my window you are in for a rude awakening ...
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