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Old 09-20-2018, 08:56 PM
 
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It really doesn't bother me that hunters bait deer, but what challenge or accomplishment is it to bait them in with food and then shoot them? Seems to take the sport and the thrill of pursuit out of hunting. Not really any talent or skill required. From a sportsmanship and hunting perspective, it falls flat. Around here, they will try anything, though, because there is black market for the mounts and this drives poaching.
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Old 09-21-2018, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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It really doesn't bother me that hunters bait deer, but what challenge or accomplishment is it to bait them in with food and then shoot them? Seems to take the sport and the thrill of pursuit out of hunting.
Well, some people want the meat. I knew farmers like that; the deer they killed were part of their diet and killing the deer was a chore not a sport.
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Old 09-21-2018, 01:51 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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It really doesn't bother me that hunters bait deer, but what challenge or accomplishment is it to bait them in with food and then shoot them? Seems to take the sport and the thrill of pursuit out of hunting. Not really any talent or skill required. From a sportsmanship and hunting perspective, it falls flat. Around here, they will try anything, though, because there is black market for the mounts and this drives poaching.
Some states with a deer population problem allow baiting combined with high bag limits to knock down the numbers.
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Old 09-21-2018, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Fields of gold
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Around here, they will try anything, though, because there is black market for the mounts and this drives poaching.

There is?!?!?!

Can you back that up??

Black markets are created when there is a limited supply of product.
Deer population in the US is off the hook!

Im not for or against baiting, but this topic is steering far off its original course.

Remember it all started out as simple as this...

Respecting Private property, VS disrespecting private property.
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Old 09-22-2018, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Boonies of N. Alabama
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There is?!?!?!

Respecting Private property, VS disrespecting private property.

D*mned disrespectful dog.
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Old 09-22-2018, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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It really doesn't bother me that hunters bait deer, but what challenge or accomplishment is it to bait them in with food and then shoot them? Seems to take the sport and the thrill of pursuit out of hunting. Not really any talent or skill required. From a sportsmanship and hunting perspective, it falls flat. Around here, they will try anything, though, because there is black market for the mounts and this drives poaching.
For the vast majority of hunters who actually do want the meat… The goal, the challenge and the pride In accomplishment is in a clean quick, humane kill of a healthy animal and quick efficient processing of the meat. That’s how you get the best meat when they’re not full of adrenaline. There is no special goal or desire by hunters to add difficulty to the hunt *just* to make it a better story. Adding difficulty to the hunt increases the odds for a less than perfect outcome.

As for a black market for mounts? I’m not aware of one. I see enough estate sales and garage sales with deer mounts no one wants to buy that I can’t imagine there is a black market for them. No one I know wants somebody else’s mount. They want their own.
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Old 09-22-2018, 09:44 AM
 
Location: North Alabama
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D*mned disrespectful dog.
Doggone disrespectful dog owner.
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Old 09-22-2018, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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For the vast majority of hunters who actually do want the meat… The goal, the challenge and the pride In accomplishment is in a clean quick, humane kill of a healthy animal and quick efficient processing of the meat. That’s how you get the best meat when they’re not full of adrenaline. There is no special goal or desire by hunters to add difficulty to the hunt *just* to make it a better story. Adding difficulty to the hunt increases the odds for a less than perfect outcome.

As for a black market for mounts? I’m not aware of one. I see enough estate sales and garage sales with deer mounts no one wants to buy that I can’t imagine there is a black market for them. No one I know wants somebody else’s mount. They want their own.

I remember a black market for mounts in my area many years ago. I presume that it might still happen; but I don't know. I live in a tourist area and many from NYC and Philly would come to my Poconos and buy their mounts to take home and brag about their hunt. In the meantime that sat at a bar for their hole hunting trip! There were at least two groups of outlaws that were selling bucks in my area. I believe they would process the deer for the hunters. One group they caught up with in the 1960's and I think they found around 17 deer hanging in their barn. The other group I do not think they ever caught up with and he simply died of old age - but I could be wrong.

As far as you "clean quick, humane kill": archery hunters normally allow half an hour to an hour before they start to track down animals they have hit. The idea is to let them bleed out since arrows do not have the energy or accuracy of bullets. I would think that an animal with an arrow in it has plenty of adrenaline flowing! I am just saying this because so many think guns when they think of hunters and archery is a fast growing portion of our hunters.
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Old 09-22-2018, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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I am personally not a fan of bow hunting on large game for that reason.
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Old 09-22-2018, 12:43 PM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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The OP has already stated it's not even so he can hunt them - he want to take pictures of them, which is, if anything, even more inane. All the potential negative impact of baiting, for photos? Might as well go do wildlife photography at the zoo.
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