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Old 05-03-2021, 04:44 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Funny how Liberals are the least Live and Let Live type people.

You don't really understand country people do you.
After living in small-town conservative Texas for more years than I care to remember, you and I both know how they act towards anyone with a different mindset, especially a liberal one.
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Old 05-03-2021, 05:45 AM
 
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Too bad you aren't thinking northern New England, as when I first skimmed your post that was my immediate thought for you.
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Old 05-03-2021, 06:10 AM
 
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Funny how Liberals are the least Live and Let Live type people.

You don't really understand country people do you.
Look up the "Take Back Vermont" movement that plastered the state with signs and some ugly stuff painted on barns. They were not going to let people live.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-8343befded3f/
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Old 05-03-2021, 06:44 AM
 
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Look up the "Take Back Vermont" movement that plastered the state with signs and some ugly stuff painted on barns. They were not going to let people live.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-8343befded3f/
That article was from 2000. Perhaps your post should be moved to the history forum?

Also, that WP article was from before the editor from the Miami Herald took the helm, and represents a different style of reporting that focused more on "icy blue dresses and elephant brooches" than facts and real analysis. Vermont Digger must have hired that reporter or a clone, because some of the articles there have the same smarm.

Vermont is a rather unique state, where the one county that is a major population center drives over the politics of a lot of small rural areas and steamrolls it in a sense of "liberalism" for the state that is only spotty in reality.

As for the OP farming in Vermont? Good luck with that. Cost of land, short growing season, and low returns make it a losing proposition for almost all. My grandfather, uncle, and cousin struggled with a dairy farm there. The last profitable years were probably in the 1970s.

The simple fact is that very few active farmers are liberal. Government intervention in farms and the free choice of farmers goes back to the Depression of the 1930s, when it began dictating which crops could and couldn't be planted - even for use limited to the farm itself. The antagonism has continued.
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Old 05-03-2021, 07:57 AM
 
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I think you should go wherever the land and temperature meets your requirements. You will find left leaning people everywhere, there is no area that is 100% any leaning not even in the deep south. If you look at a political map by county, you will see rural counties are red--but if you drill down to the statistics you will also find that even in the most red areas of the nation there is 30-48% blue votes. Remember a state's electoral votes go to the winner--even if that winner won by only one vote.
I was reading yesterday about a town in Montana that was the first sufferage town in the entire nation. Women were allowed to vote and hold office there long before it became federal law. Montana!
In my rural red area I live in, the red votes may be louder with their many political signs, but I pay attention and there are many quieter left leaning folk, many who own farms. Some of these farmers this past election were loudly displaying Biden signs, probably because the tarriffs installed by Trump. Another house, not a farm, displayed huge Biden signs, right on a main corner.
The thing is most people in rural areas can be good people no matter what their political leanings are. I would worry more about if they trespass, steal, or disrespect their neighbor's property and rights.
Every deep red area has a democratic party office, you just have to look for it. So there will always be others around like minded if you simply seek them out and know how to find them.
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Old 05-03-2021, 08:44 AM
 
Location: USA
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We haven't come very far when people now want to self-segregate in advance because they may not agree with their neighbors.
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Old 05-03-2021, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Wooster, Ohio
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I think you should go wherever the land and temperature meets your requirements. You will find left leaning people everywhere, there is no area that is 100% any leaning not even in the deep south. If you look at a political map by county, you will see rural counties are red--but if you drill down to the statistics you will also find that even in the most red areas of the nation there is 30-48% blue votes. Remember a state's electoral votes go to the winner--even if that winner won by only one vote.
I was reading yesterday about a town in Montana that was the first sufferage town in the entire nation. Women were allowed to vote and hold office there long before it became federal law. Montana!
In my rural red area I live in, the red votes may be louder with their many political signs, but I pay attention and there are many quieter left leaning folk, many who own farms. Some of these farmers this past election were loudly displaying Biden signs, probably because the tarriffs installed by Trump. Another house, not a farm, displayed huge Biden signs, right on a main corner.
The thing is most people in rural areas can be good people no matter what their political leanings are. I would worry more about if they trespass, steal, or disrespect their neighbor's property and rights.
Every deep red area has a democratic party office, you just have to look for it. So there will always be others around like minded if you simply seek them out and know how to find them.
This is a good answer. The question of finding liberal areas outside of major urban areas comes up frequently. The question of finding conservative areas in major urban areas, not so much. In any case the answer is the same: there are no liberal rural areas, nor are there any conservative urban areas. Take this map of the 2016 Ohio presidential race as an example:
Liberal-leaning rural areas with available farms/land?-636143636518855555-horncounty.jpg

Affordable land no longer exists either, especially when you want enough to farm. As an example, the nearly 15 acres I bought in 1986 for $20,000 is now appraised at $135,000. To get into farming today, you need to have inherited a farm.
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Old 05-03-2021, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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I am wondering what, if any, left of center values, are actually important to you? And what right of center views are you afraid of?

Because around here, "left of center" area means environmental, restrictive zoning, regulations on animal husbandry, water restrictions, and the right to complain about what is happening on your neighbor's property.

And most right of center people feel exactly how you do about your right to farm and mind your own business, while being active in church and community.

So what is it you're actually looking for? Or looking to avoid?
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Old 05-03-2021, 11:37 AM
 
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Funny how Liberals are the least Live and Let Live type people.

You don't really understand country people do you.
You really are judge mental
Plenty of conservatives are not live and let live either
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Old 05-03-2021, 11:40 AM
 
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I think you should go wherever the land and temperature meets your requirements. You will find left leaning people everywhere, there is no area that is 100% any leaning not even in the deep south. If you look at a political map by county, you will see rural counties are red--but if you drill down to the statistics you will also find that even in the most red areas of the nation there is 30-48% blue votes. Remember a state's electoral votes go to the winner--even if that winner won by only one vote.
I was reading yesterday about a town in Montana that was the first sufferage town in the entire nation. Women were allowed to vote and hold office there long before it became federal law. Montana!
In my rural red area I live in, the red votes may be louder with their many political signs, but I pay attention and there are many quieter left leaning folk, many who own farms. Some of these farmers this past election were loudly displaying Biden signs, probably because the tarriffs installed by Trump. Another house, not a farm, displayed huge Biden signs, right on a main corner.
The thing is most people in rural areas can be good people no matter what their political leanings are. I would worry more about if they trespass, steal, or disrespect their neighbor's property and rights.
Every deep red area has a democratic party office, you just have to look for it. So there will always be others around like minded if you simply seek them out and know how to find them.
The only reason Montana enacted woman’s suffrage was to have enough voters to claim statehood
It wasn’t because the men valued women as equals but because numbers were more important in such a low population area...
They wanted statehood for empowerment of MEN in Montana
Not women really
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