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In my particular case, I haven't seen the intruder; my property is unoccupied most of the time; when I arrive after an absence I just see garbage scattered around certain spots. I am preparing for the event when I do encounter the intruder when I arrive.
I want the intruder dealt with by the police. But in my case police is 30 min away; I think one of the below are more likely to occur:
1) The intruder leaves (seems there will be no consequence for the trespassing)
2) There is a confrontation
So I want to know how others deal with this type of issue.
Why don't you put cameras up outside and see what goes on when you're absent? I personally probably wouldn't directly confront at night in rural area with no eyes around. I'd wait for cops. But I'm a woman. I would put the cameras up though so I knew what I was dealing with. Maybe they only come around when they know you're not there. Maybe it's become a kid's party spot or something.
Bums, vagrants, and “boondockers” who refuse to pay for legitimate camping are more likely. People try anything now. One local who owns a place elsewhere in the county said he saw someone DRIVE INTO his (apparently) unlocked garage building as he showed up. He has had repeated instances of trespass on that property. “In the old days” people could leave places unlocked. In this era of Take It If Nobody’s Watching, the more security precautions you add, the better.
I don't think that sounds likely at all in a gated community. Gated community implies stopping at a booth or needing to be able to unlock a gate. I am betting it's neighborhood teens who live in the community looking for place to get high/make out/hang out, something like that.
OP just do cameras, motion lights, and put some lights inside on timers so it's less obvious when you're not there. I think those steps should come before you start worrying about a confrontation. They're probably only coming when they know you're not there.
Maybe they only come around when they know you're not there. Maybe it's become a kid's party spot or something.
Thats what I'm suspecting too. Neighbor's kids cant get stoned at home when their parents are around, so they slip next door where they know that no one is watching the store.
Those people are complete fools. Had they just not aimed the guns nothing would have happened. From my knowledge, all these jobless losers were trespassing in a private community, not their actual property. Those people stepped foot on their actual yard toward them, they wouldn't have faced any charges. I wouldn't point a gun at protesters walking down my street but if they stepped onto my yard I would.
That said, those people are complete idiots. They clearly do not know how to even handle firearms. (You don't put your finger on the trigger unless you're about to kill someone, lady.)
I know my rights and the gun laws here. You don't have to retreat here on your own property if there's a threat unlike other states where a robber will get a paper cut and sue the homeowner for it being too dangerous for him to rob and win.
I wouldn't use lethal force but I would keep a gun on a trespasser until the cops came. What's so awful about that?
No one's talking about a duty to retreat. There is no provision under TN law allowing you to shoot a trespasser just for the act of trespassing. Castle Doctrine doesn't allow it, and Stand Your ground doesn't allow it. And the OP has made it clear that that trespassers haven't been threatening him with death or grave bodily injury.
If this were Breaking Bad, Mike Ehrmantraut does whatever he wants to. Not so much in the real world.
I know my rights and the gun laws here. You don't have to retreat here on your own property if there's a threat unlike other states where a robber will get a paper cut and sue the homeowner for it being too dangerous for him to rob and win.
I wouldn't use lethal force but I would keep a gun on a trespasser until the cops came. What's so awful about that?
Its ****ty technique and shows a lack of knowledge of defensive tactics and, likely, the law. I saw likely because I don't pretend to be an expert in TN law.
No civilian defensive tactics training would recommend presenting your weapon during a non-lethal encounter. And if you did, the suggestion would be to holster after you no longer feared for your life (and maybe property, using your argument). If he was restrained, holding at gunpoint would be outrageous, especially if LE was 30 minutes away, as was presented in this scenario. Then - what if he ran - away from you? What would you do? Shoot? Pursue? Then who is the aggressor? Any competent atty would have a field day with that one.
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No one's talking about a duty to retreat. There is no provision under TN law allowing you to shoot a trespasser just for the act of trespassing. Castle Doctrine doesn't allow it, and Stand Your ground doesn't allow it. And the OP has made it clear that that trespassers haven't been threatening him with death or grave bodily injury.
If this were Breaking Bad, Mike Ehrmantraut does whatever he wants to. Not so much in the real world.
No one's talking about a duty to retreat. There is no provision under TN law allowing you to shoot a trespasser just for the act of trespassing. Castle Doctrine doesn't allow it, and Stand Your ground doesn't allow it. And the OP has made it clear that that trespassers haven't been threatening him with death or grave bodily injury.
Did you just stop reading when I said "if/when they pose a threat"? Nothing illegal or wrong with cornering a known nuisance trespasser with a gun and waiting on the cops. If anything that would probably...gasp...solve the issue.
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If this were Breaking Bad, Mike Ehrmantraut does whatever he wants to. Not so much in the real world.
You mean TV shows are fiction?
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Its ****ty technique and shows a lack of knowledge of defensive tactics and, likely, the law. I saw likely because I don't pretend to be an expert in TN law.
You're obviously not. I've lived here my whole life. I know the law in my own state thank you very much. This isn't California.
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No civilian defensive tactics training would recommend presenting your weapon during a non-lethal encounter. And if you did, the suggestion would be to holster after you no longer feared for your life (and maybe property, using your argument).
Ultimately you use your own judgement on your own property but the law is on your side, at least in this state. Cornering someone with a 12 gauge and then them being arrested, I doubt they'd come back and bother you.
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If he was restrained, holding at gunpoint would be outrageous, especially if LE was 30 minutes away, as was presented in this scenario.
Did I utter a word about restraining or even laying a hand on this person? Corner them with the gun, wait for the cops to come. OP, explain the whole issue to the police. They're gonna be on your side.
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Then - what if he ran - away from you? What would you do? Shoot? Pursue? Then who is the aggressor? Any competent atty would have a field day with that one.
You people really are twisting my words. First of all, nobody would turn around and run with a shotgun pointed at them. And of course you can't shoot someone in the back---are you out of your mind? That would indicate they were heeding your advice and vacating your property and probably land you with a murder or manslaughter charge.
Did you just stop reading when I said "if/when they pose a threat"? Nothing illegal or wrong with cornering a known nuisance trespasser with a gun and waiting on the cops. If anything that would probably...gasp...solve the issue.
You mean TV shows are fiction?
You're obviously not. I've lived here my whole life. I know the law in my own state thank you very much. This isn't California.
Ultimately you use your own judgement on your own property but the law is on your side, at least in this state. Cornering someone with a 12 gauge and then them being arrested, I doubt they'd come back and bother you.
Did I utter a word about restraining or even laying a hand on this person? Corner them with the gun, wait for the cops to come. OP, explain the whole issue to the police. They're gonna be on your side.
You people really are twisting my words. First of all, nobody would turn around and run with a shotgun pointed at them. And of course you can't shoot someone in the back---are you out of your mind? That would indicate they were heeding your advice and vacating your property and probably land you with a murder or manslaughter charge.
I read where you said that the OP would be allowed to shoot the trespasser in TN.
If TN law allows you to corner and hold trespassers at gunpoint, post up the relevant section.
Introducing a gun into a non lethal force situation is incredibly stupid.
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