Thugs buy building downtown next to Arena for $40 million dollars (San Francisco: fit in, transplants)

[Malloric]

Originally Posted by sacite

Hoped some of you watched KCRA 3 news tonight. Per Michael Alt in response to downtown developments, including two proposed residential towers: "The stadium has changed EVERYTHING".

You're aware that Michael Alt[sic] is the executive director of the Downtown Alliance, right? The used car salesman just told you the new government subsidy on used cars changes everything. And you ate it up. If Redevelopment always (or even often) changed everything, we wouldn't be here. You can't go more than a block downtown without running into a Redevelopment project. Private development projects, however, remain rare.

[Malloric]

Originally Posted by sacite;37713669
Beyond that, and possibly more importantly, this stadium gives the local community something to be proud of. In my opinion, for that reason alone it is worth the incremental increase that we will pay in parking, rent, etc. [B

This city is too big at this point to go without a venue to accommodate the demands of 500,000+ people. [/b] Political events, concerts, sporting events etc will all come through here now and they will be accessible for the majority of the population. I believe the NCAA has already agreed to host a round of the NCAA March Madness Tournament in 2016? Not sure the exact date, but I think that is awesome. I think it's great that cameras will pan on our city during any number of nationally televised events now, and I am all but certain that is a big impetus for Kaiser moving its headquarters right next to the stadium. It's just a good thing for our city on so many levels.

Arco. ESC will hold fewer than additional 200 people. If Arco is too small, so then is ESC for these political events, concerts, sporting events, etc. They still won't be accessible to the majority of the population because it wasn't transportation that was the problem. The cheapest tickets are generally $30-50 at Kings games. That's upper level corner seats. Even decent upper level seats tend to be $75+, lower level $200+

Cameras already pan on our city during a small number of nationally televised events. The arena won't change that. The 2016 Presidential candidate will not make an appearance there.

[sacite]

Originally Posted by Malloric

Arco. ESC will hold fewer than additional 200 people. If Arco is too small, so then is ESC for these political events, concerts, sporting events, etc. They still won't be accessible to the majority of the population because it wasn't transportation that was the problem. The cheapest tickets are generally $30-50 at Kings games. That's upper level corner seats. Even decent upper level seats tend to be $75+, lower level $200+

Cameras already pan on our city during a small number of nationally televised events. The arena won't change that. The 2016 Presidential candidate will not make an appearance there.

OK, not going to waste my time arguing over this any longer. You can stay angry as you walk by downtown and watch the stadium and all of the new buildings around it getting constructed and tell people it was all going to happen anyway. Fine by me. Enjoy your day.

[sacite]

Originally Posted by Malloric

You're aware that Michael Alt[sic] is the executive director of the Downtown Alliance, right? The used car salesman just told you the new government subsidy on used cars changes everything. And you ate it up. If Redevelopment always (or even often) changed everything, we wouldn't be here. You can't go more than a block downtown without running into a Redevelopment project. Private development projects, however, remain rare.

Lol wow. The projects he is referring to are being paid for by people using their own money. There's a whole slew of them coming. Honestly the only innacurare factual statement I've ever made during this several month long debate was with respect to the Dive Bar, and I owned up to it when Burg corrected me. You and a couple others just make things up as you go and I'm kinda over it at this point. Stay mad and do whatever suits you.

[Malloric]

And ESC. If Arco isn't large enough for the national televised event cameras, neither is ESC. I'm not saying the ESC is a terrible project. The previous plan that the Maloofs scuttled was pretty bad. The problem is the funding. The City is borrowing $225 million and leasing the arena to the Kings for 6.5 million a year. That's a terrible ROI.

[CeJeH]

Originally Posted by Malloric

Arco. ESC will hold fewer than additional 200 people. If Arco is too small, so then is ESC for these political events, concerts, sporting events, etc. They still won't be accessible to the majority of the population because it wasn't transportation that was the problem. The cheapest tickets are generally $30-50 at Kings games. That's upper level corner seats. Even decent upper level seats tend to be $75+, lower level $200+

Cameras already pan on our city during a small number of nationally televised events. The arena won't change that. The 2016 Presidential candidate will not make an appearance there.

You obviously don't go to many Kings games. You can routinely get upper level seats for $20. $75 gets you good lower level seats. Some friends and I got half of a row in the lower level corner to the Kings-Raptors (best record in Eastern Conference) game for $41 per seat. Kings game are not expensive.

As far as the Presidential Nominee not speaking there, uhhh, no **** man. The arena isn't scheduled to open u til about a week before the election...

[Malloric]

Corner seats are less desirable, hence why you got them for $41 which is still a good price.

[Majin]

Sacramento will get the democratic convention within the next 10 years, maybe 2020 or 2024. Even officially seating less than 18k. I'm sure accommodations can be made to get to the number the DNC needs. By that time Kevin Johnson may be in Washington and will have a lot more connections than he already does.

Plus Sacramento will need to construct a few more hotels before then anyway which we will.

[Malloric]

Originally Posted by Majin

Sacramento will get the democratic convention within the next 10 years, maybe 2020 or 2024. Even officially seating less than 18k. I'm sure accommodations can be made to get to the number the DNC needs. By that time Kevin Johnson may be in Washington and will have a lot more connections than he already does.

Plus Sacramento will need to construct a few more hotels before then anyway which we will.

2024 sounds about right for the next public funded arena.

[pistola916]

The arena will seat 17,500 - that's 200 more seats than the current arena. Someone misspoke about it seating less. The arena being downtown will change the landscape vitality of downtown. We can talk all we want about whether the arena was the driving force behind the acquisition of buildings (Kaiser moving to 601 J, the proposed Vanir Tower, and developments on K Street), but it has played an influence in those decisions. We are going to see a lot more foot traffic in the vicinity during events and non-events that otherwise wouldn't exist had we just renovated the Plaza - again.

Some question the financing model but I rather have some outsider invest half on the arena and inject millions of dollars in ancillary development than have the city be responsible for all the cost of a new arena. I don't care if the arena is downtown or not, but there was going to come a time where eventually Arco needs to be replaced.

The NCAA is returning to Sacramento. The Democratic National Convention may or may not come to Sac but at least with a new arena, we are in the conversation. The NBA All-Star game could come to Sac but we don't have enough hotel rooms I believe.

People need to stop being so cynical.