Sacramento (downtown, midtown, old Sacramento) or Savannah (historic district & nearby) (Stockton: neighborhoods, gated)

[Port Pitt Ash]

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Sacramento or Savannah?

Call it the match up of the unseemly-abbreviated cities. It's Sac Sav!

Taken as a whole it's just silly as Sacramento is certainly a much larger area, but what if you limited it to Downtown, Midtown, and Old Sacramento? How does it hold up against Savannah?

- Walkability
- Weather
- Nightlife
- Political Leanings
- Quality of life
- Singles scene
- Urban beauty
- Interesting street level activity

[LoriBee62]

The fact that one of them is in the South leaves me voting for Sacramento every day of the week.

[Adamson865]

As much as I enjoyed living in Sacramento, Savannah wins every category listed above with the exception of "weather". Savannah is rather humid.

[wburg]

Geographically, the city of Savannah is actually larger than Sacramento--108 square miles, while Sacramento is around 108. Savannah has a population of 142,000, one-third the size of Sacramento, so overall it has about one-third the population density, maybe closer to one-quarter. I'd check WalkScore for more specifics, but I'd say that if you're comparing old city centers, Sacramento would win by a comfortable margin--our "Old City" (downtown/midtown/old sac) has 30,000 or so residents, a dozen or so neighborhoods with WalkScores in the 90+ range, and excellent bikeability.

I'd take Sacramento weather over Savannah in a heartbeat, but then I don't like humidity and don't mind rainy winters. Neither city gets snow, but Sacramento's summers are dry and hot, instead of humid with thunderstorms.

Politically, it looks like Savannah leans Republican, while Sacramento leans very strongly Democrat.

[fbt263]

Originally Posted by Port Pitt Ash

(Please merge posts, thank you.)

Sacramento or Savannah?

Call it the match up of the unseemly-abbreviated cities. It's Sac Sav!

Taken as a whole it's just silly as Sacramento is certainly a much larger area, but what if you limited it to Downtown, Midtown, and Old Sacramento? How does it hold up against Savannah?

- Walkability
- Weather
- Nightlife
- Political Leanings
- Quality of life
- Singles scene
- Urban beauty
- Interesting street level activity

- Walkability push
- Weather Sacramento
- Nightlife push
- Political Leanings Sacramento
- Quality of life Sacramento
- Singles scene Sacramento
- Urban beauty push
- Interesting street level activity Sacramento

Both have a nice riverspace. Savannah's core is nice. Love the old buildings and Spanish moss. But like many Southern cities feels very segregated...disturbingly so. It's a cool place to party (open contained semi-allowed on sidewalks generates boisterous crowds) for a night or two, but after that I was ready to leave. Sacramento has more to offer overall in almost all categories, even if just limiting to the central core.

[Malloric]

Originally Posted by fbt263

- Walkability push
- Weather Sacramento
- Nightlife push
- Political Leanings Sacramento
- Quality of life Sacramento
- Singles scene Sacramento
- Urban beauty push
- Interesting street level activity Sacramento

Both have a nice riverspace. Savannah's core is nice. Love the old buildings and Spanish moss. But like many Southern cities feels very segregated...disturbingly so. It's a cool place to party (open contained semi-allowed on sidewalks generates boisterous crowds) for a night or two, but after that I was ready to leave. Sacramento has more to offer overall in almost all categories, even if just limiting to the central core.

Sacramento is quite segregated as well, but yes it's less so. Savannah you'll go from 95% white to 95% black in the span of about four blocks. Grid, East Sac, Land Park areas whites are over represented though, and then in South Sac it's a bit like where's waldo to find a white person. The difference is that doesn't happen in four blocks.

[fbt263]

Originally Posted by Malloric

Sacramento is quite segregated as well, but yes it's less so.

As someone who has lived here a while and traveled around a bit, don't think it is far to call Sacramento "quite segregated".

Check out this map: The Racial Dot Map: One Dot Per Person for the Entire U.S. Lots of intermingling of colors.

[wburg]

Well, by "Grid" he means the 95816 ZIP code, half of which is in East Sacramento, and the OP is asking about Downtown/Midtown/Old Sacramento, which includes bits of 4 different ZIP codes (95814, 95811, 95818, 95816) of which 95816 is probably the least diverse (the neighborhoods on the western side like Alkali Flat and Southside Park are more nonwhite)--but the central city grid is pretty diverse overall, even if they are not all the most integrated neighborhoods in the entire city.

Oh yeah, in the message above I should have said Sacramento is about 98 square miles, not 108--geographically we're smaller than Savannah but with three times the population, which sounds like it would give Sacramento the edge for walkability/pedestrian activity in the urban core.

[Malloric]

Originally Posted by fbt263

As someone who has lived here a while and traveled around a bit, don't think it is far to call Sacramento "quite segregated".

Check out this map: The Racial Dot Map: One Dot Per Person for the Entire U.S. Lots of intermingling of colors.

I don't really do colored dots as I'm more analytical than spatial. For the US as a whole, Sacramento is remarkably average. The US is pretty racially segregated, however. But yes, it does matter what you measure it relative to.

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[wburg]

Well, let's compare the two cities using the Racial Dot Map. Savannah looks like there's a lot of blue in the city core, with a bigger blue area to the south, surrounded on both sides by green areas. So a predominantly African-American population with a large White population, just a little bit of Hispanic and Asian.

Sacramento's city core has a different color mix--sure, 95816 has a bit more blue but it's obviously very mixed up, with a lot of red dots (Asian population) in Southside/Richmond Grove (and Chinatown downtown) and orange dots (Hispanic) in Alkali Flat/Mansion Flat, just kind of spotty in the 95814 half of Midtown. Lots of blue in East Sacramento, blue/red in Land Park (with more green in the projects), green/orange in North Sacramento and Oak Park, transitioning into redder areas along Stockton Boulevard/Little Saigon and up into Del Paso Heights/Robla/Rio Linda. Outside the city limits, West Sacramento looks very mixed around Bryte/Broderick and more blue into Southport.

Sacramento is far from perfectly integrated--but it seems like there are a lot of areas where there is just a confusing mixture of dots, less so in some areas than others, with the most consistency in the wealthy suburbs to the east/northeast. Savannah looks a lot more visually consistent with very dominant green and blue areas--suggesting higher levels of segregation.