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Old 10-25-2019, 06:26 PM
 
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Gov. Gavin Newsom announced a $75 million program on Friday to help local governments deal with the precautionary power shut offs that are likely to grow more frequent as the troubled PG&E utility attempts to limit its liability during fire conditions.

The money can go toward new equipment, fuel storage and backup energy sources for “essential facilities” like fire stations and health centers. Newsom’s office also said that funding could be used for developing new plans for when blackouts strike and to adequately equip community resource centers.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics...bid=1381350921
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Old 10-25-2019, 06:29 PM
 
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advice?

1. leave.
2. leave now.
3. do not wait.
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Old 10-26-2019, 02:48 AM
 
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Nevada County (Grass Valley, Nevada City Area) lost power on Wednesday and will lose it again today lasting maybe until Monday.
Those poor folks are really getting economically stressed by this.
https://www.theunion.com/
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Old 10-26-2019, 12:03 PM
 
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Nevada County (Grass Valley, Nevada City Area) lost power on Wednesday and will lose it again today lasting maybe until Monday.
Those poor folks are really getting economically stressed by this.
https://www.theunion.com/
But if you look at how people vote in the places where the power goes out, how much power do you think they have within the bureaucracy of the State of California in terms of getting it to respond to there needs? To me this is just the local version of lead contamination in Flint Michigan. you have a small group of people getting screwed because they don't have clout with the local power structure.
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Old 10-26-2019, 05:58 PM
 
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But if you look at how people vote in the places where the power goes out, how much power do you think they have within the bureaucracy of the State of California in terms of getting it to respond to there needs? To me this is just the local version of lead contamination in Flint Michigan. you have a small group of people getting screwed because they don't have clout with the local power structure.
What should they vote on? I'm sure if they could vote to get rid of PG&E right about now they would but I'm unclear as to what kind of ballot measure would make things different right now. PG&E neglected their equipment for the past 100 years, all for the sake of profit. You can only fix that by running them out of the state and taking over the utility and having it publicly managed but that sure won't happen, if it did everyone would be screaming about how "commiefornia" steals private property /sigh
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Old 10-26-2019, 07:30 PM
 
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What should they vote on? I'm sure if they could vote to get rid of PG&E right about now they would but I'm unclear as to what kind of ballot measure would make things different right now. PG&E neglected their equipment for the past 100 years, all for the sake of profit. You can only fix that by running them out of the state and taking over the utility and having it publicly managed but that sure won't happen, if it did everyone would be screaming about how "commiefornia" steals private property /sigh
PG&E is a regulated utility which is highly regulated by the PUC. PG&E really can't do anything without the approval of the PUC. The reason the deaf get teletype machines and the poor get charged special lifeline rates is that regulators have decided to mandate that utilities offer these programs to their customers. A big part of the reason that regulators offer these special programs for these groups is that the deaf and the poor are part of the electoral coalition of the current political regime, so the government is quite responsive to these groups needs. In California, rural voters not part of any winning coalition to get elected, so the system just isn't responsive to them. So we aren't hearing discussion from any aspect of the current political regime, that we need mandated power to everyone as a human right. The governor is not making an emergency order telling PG&E to turn back on the power.
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Old 10-26-2019, 07:55 PM
 
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PG&E is a regulated utility which is highly regulated by the PUC. PG&E really can't do anything without the approval of the PUC. The reason the deaf get teletype machines and the poor get charged special lifeline rates is that regulators have decided to mandate that utilities offer these programs to their customers. A big part of the reason that regulators offer these special programs for these groups is that the deaf and the poor are part of the electoral coalition of the current political regime, so the government is quite responsive to these groups needs. In California, rural voters not part of any winning coalition to get elected, so the system just isn't responsive to them. So we aren't hearing discussion from any aspect of the current political regime, that we need mandated power to everyone as a human right. The governor is not making an emergency order telling PG&E to turn back on the power.
The PUC has the same rules for PG&E as they do SMUD and other utility companies,if those rules are so 'crippling', how are other power companies capable of maintaining their equipment, with PG&E the only "for profit" player seemingly unable to do so.

And I really disagree with you about lifeline rates for the poor being a tool to get votes, far fewer poor people vote than any other demographic & it wasn't anyone in the "current political regime" who started lifeline, it was Bush II in 1985
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Old 10-26-2019, 09:00 PM
 
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These outages are planned to make us live like 3rd-world peasants (wind blows more than 10mph, power is cut). Its purpose is to appear that we are in dire need to a new grid system for Gavin's green new deal. Next up, AFTER people suffer for a while, executive action or a new tax on the people to pay for it. I'd bet money on it.
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Old 10-26-2019, 11:36 PM
 
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The PUC has the same rules for PG&E as they do SMUD and other utility companies,if those rules are so 'crippling', how are other power companies capable of maintaining their equipment, with PG&E the only "for profit" player seemingly unable to do so.

And I really disagree with you about lifeline rates for the poor being a tool to get votes, far fewer poor people vote than any other demographic & it wasn't anyone in the "current political regime" who started lifeline, it was Bush II in 1985


No Bush was President in 1985.

A Bush was Vice-President in 1985, but it was 'Bush I', not 'Bush II'.
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Old 10-26-2019, 11:48 PM
 
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No Bush was President in 1985.

A Bush was Vice-President in 1985, but it was 'Bush I', not 'Bush II'.
You're correct, sorry about that.

"The Lifeline program has been around for 27 years It was established in 1985 — under the Reagan Administration — as a means of helping low-income households gain access to a “lifeline” of communication and emergency services through home telephone service. And in 2005 — under the Bush II Administration — the FCC recognized changing technology and usage patterns and expanded the program to provide cell phones to qualified low-income households."
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