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Old 06-19-2022, 03:03 PM
 
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I don't have to re-register as an independent, I've been a "no party preference" voter for 30 years--and before that, I was a Libertarian! Getting more conservative as one gets older is not a requirement, and plenty of people go the other way. For me, it was getting rid of residual ideas about "commies" I absorbed from growing up during the Cold War.



Over time, a lot of positions being advanced by the left, like a proper single-payer public health system that pays for things like gender affirmation surgery at taxpayer expense, are ideas that some Republicans endorsed back in the 1970s (heck, Nixon supported the idea!) before the influx of boll weevils from the South and the influence of the Moral Majority led to the Reagan revolution--whose positions almost seem quaintly moderate compared to the contemporary right's outright celebration of fascism (such as calling for a ban on assault rifles.) Liberals brought us things like a hybrid public health system based on private insurance introduced by a Republican think tank (AKA "Obamacare", based on the assumption that a middle ground would placate the right, but they're not even interested in their own ideas if people they don't like are willing to accept them.



And regarding the 2nd Amendment--the "liberal" gun control position held by a majority of Americans doesn't apply once you go far enough to the left--look up groups like the Socialist Rifle Association who are very much in favor of the right to keep and bear arms to protect your community from fascist extremists!
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Old 06-19-2022, 03:23 PM
 
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Most of what you were arguing were opinions. You were arguing that shoplifting and crime weren't issues in San Francisco and that soft on crime policies worked. You were claiming that Walgreens wasn't closing stores because of crime. You argued the DA wasn't recalled in SF because voters disapproved with the direction the city was going but because they were confused by big money donors. All of these assertions are opinions. Which is fine, but ou just didn't do a good job backing up your opinions.




I don't see downtowns as over yet nationwide. But the health of these communities is far more contingent on being percieved as safe. Do you still want to eat outside in a sidewalk cafe if you smell urine or feces? Walk around in downtown Stockton and ask yourself why isn't it an appealing place to hang out. Its a mixed use neighborhood with a waterfront, multiple sports stadiums and yet without a lot of people down there, one of the things that holds the area back is that it feels more seedy than safe. If your car is being broken into when you park downtown, are you going to want to drive there? My girlfriend's car Noe Valley has been broken into so many times, she got rid of the car because she couldn't afford to rent a garage, but she has watched guys shooting up on the Muni bus, so she doesn't feel real great taking public transit anymore either, especially at night, so she is looking to get out of the city.

Car breakins are so bad in SF right now, the Chronicle has a regularly updated tracker. But when you walk around in SF, you also can see these notes on the cars where people write, car unlocked no valuables inside, please don't break my car window again. I had never seen that before.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/sf-car-breakins/

Is SF a pretty place to live, yes. Do I think it is turning into Stockton tommorrow? No. But the trendline is currently going in the wrong direction. Do I think it can bounce back yes? But I think they have to work on making the place feel livable to current residents and potential residents.
Intersting about your Noe Valley girlfriend, same as our friend from midtown...who is young, urbane, and gay yet crime and his quality of life got so bad in midtown he chose to move to a small town.

But, as long as they keep building high-density housing in downtown Sacramento, you will have a lot of people in a central compact urban space which by nature SHOULD mean you will have urban vibrancy. But the things that make a compact urban space vibrant...small businesses, street retail, coffee shops, restaurants, grocery stores these things are disappearing from downtowns and you add street crime, the unhoused, dirty tent camps, street drugs, then that "urban vibrant positive experience" disappears.

But what difference does it make if everyone is working from home in their 8 story apt building, rarely steps outside of the building, and has everything delivered to them including their meals for the day. This is what I saw in NYC last fall. Suddenly the densest city in the country lost all of its vibrancy regardless that they were all living so close to each other, on top of each, below each other in high rise buildings. Nobody was going outside to the neighborhood bar, restaurant, instead they had their meals delivered to them.

In some cases I see more people WALKING outside on Suburban Sacramento streets and parks than I do on downtown Sacramento streets. And you are less likely to encounter feces, urine, trash, street drugs on a suburban street than a downtown street. Those huge "homeless" occupied RVs parked in midtown have a bigger negative impact in midtown than they would if parked on a suburban street regardless of intent.

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Old 06-20-2022, 06:50 AM
 
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So on Sunday, instead of walking to Midtown I walked to Oak Park. Enjoyed the farmer's market, ran into a few old friends I hadn't seen in a while. Lots of people walking around on the street, in the park, lots of open shops and cafes with customers spilling out onto the plentiful sidewalk tables, generally centered on the "heart" of the Oak Park historic district at 35th & Broadway. Lots of local businesses flourishing in a place that I've known for a long time, dramatically different from how I remember it 20 years ago when the only open business on the blocks I visited were a bar closely associated with the sex trade (now a family owned restaurant) and a thrift store (which I liked but I also like the new apartment building with fully occupied ground floor retail stores.) McClatchy Park, which I never visited back then, had produce and baked goods and coffee for sale, with a mutual aid booth providing free food and hygiene items for those in need. It wasn't crowded, although I understand that the big Juneteenth event the previous day had been a bit busier, but it was pleasantly active. The neighborhood streets nearby were generally pretty quiet except for the occasional yard sale or passing pedestrian. In both cases I suppose I probably saw some delivery folks picking up orders or delivering them, but those are still sales going in the restaurant's till, it's still a person traveling on the street whether it's a delivery driver or just someone who walked down and placed a to-go order to bring home, it's just a shorter trip for a restaurant within walking distance.



Despite the alarmed reports about closed chain drug stores and poop-filled needles on the street, urban Sacramento seemed to be doing just fine this weekend. Sure, lots of people work from home, but the thing about work is, when it's over you want to do something else. In a walkable neighborhood with nearby amenities, they're right outside your door.
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Old 06-20-2022, 11:12 AM
 
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Lets make one thing clear. Compared to SF, NYC, Chicago, even parts of downtown LA, Sacramento's OAK PARK is not an urban dense space rather it is primarily a single-story low dense SUBURBAN neighborhood. We like to think of it as an urban-dense space. Even Sacramento's MIDTOWN is not a highly dense neighborhood compared to Miami Beach or West Hollywood or many more urban spaces.

But I get it, Oak Park and Midtown are slightly more dense than many of the other suburban spaces in Sacramento. But they are actually closer in density to these other suburban spaces than they are to the SFs, NYC's and Chicagos of the world.

The urban planners and local politicians in California and Sacramento were probably caught off guard by these trends that were catapulted into everyday life because of Covid lockdowns, a season of rioting in 2020, increased crime of all sorts, and the subsequent long-term physical and psychological affects upon the things that make an urban space vibrant. The denser the space is the more vulnerable and easier it is to destroy that sacred and vibrant space.

The trends affecting urban spaces:
1. Decreased retail on the street, specifically small business/mom and pop establishements.
2. Decreased foot traffic because there is no reason to walk down that urban street other than when you are taking a walk-break from your stay at home-work from home job.
3. Decreased foot traffic because 50-80% of office buildings are now vacant.
4. Increased use of delivery services for just about everything including having a meal from a traditional lively dine in restaurant delivered to your home.
5. Decreased bar/restaurants, closed to due vandalism, theft, covid lockdowns, political public policies, government intrusion, etc.
6. Allowance of open camping/living on tax-payer funded parks and streets.
7. Destruction of protected wildlife both animal and plant habitats due to allowance of said camping.

These trends are also negatively affecting suburban spaces, but at least in a suburban space you get a lot more bang for your buck in terms of square footage.
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Old 06-20-2022, 11:47 AM
 
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So on Sunday, instead of walking to Midtown I walked to Oak Park. Enjoyed the farmer's market, ran into a few old friends I hadn't seen in a while. Lots of people walking around on the street, in the park, lots of open shops and cafes with customers spilling out onto the plentiful sidewalk tables, generally centered on the "heart" of the Oak Park historic district at 35th & Broadway. Lots of local businesses flourishing in a place that I've known for a long time, dramatically different from how I remember it 20 years ago when the only open business on the blocks I visited were a bar closely associated with the sex trade (now a family owned restaurant) and a thrift store (which I liked but I also like the new apartment building with fully occupied ground floor retail stores.) McClatchy Park, which I never visited back then, had produce and baked goods and coffee for sale, with a mutual aid booth providing free food and hygiene items for those in need. It wasn't crowded, although I understand that the big Juneteenth event the previous day had been a bit busier, but it was pleasantly active. The neighborhood streets nearby were generally pretty quiet except for the occasional yard sale or passing pedestrian. In both cases I suppose I probably saw some delivery folks picking up orders or delivering them, but those are still sales going in the restaurant's till, it's still a person traveling on the street whether it's a delivery driver or just someone who walked down and placed a to-go order to bring home, it's just a shorter trip for a restaurant within walking distance.



Despite the alarmed reports about closed chain drug stores and poop-filled needles on the street, urban Sacramento seemed to be doing just fine this weekend. Sure, lots of people work from home, but the thing about work is, when it's over you want to do something else. In a walkable neighborhood with nearby amenities, they're right outside your door.
This sounds like an Episode of Mr Rogers Neighborhood!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGLb6G_pidg

I'm glad that you didn't get jumped whilst purchasing your backed goods in broad daylight on a busy street!

All kidding aside, i hope that all the nice things in your neighborhood stay nice . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXc2S_myAys
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Old 06-20-2022, 12:37 PM
 
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Most of what you were arguing were opinions. You were arguing that shoplifting and crime weren't issues in San Francisco and that soft on crime policies worked. You were claiming that Walgreens wasn't closing stores because of crime. You argued the DA wasn't recalled in SF because voters disapproved with the direction the city was going but because they were confused by big money donors. All of these assertions are opinions. Which is fine, but ou just didn't do a good job backing up your opinions.
Huh? I posted sources for everything I said, but just for you, here we go again:
Walgreen's already had planned to close those stores:
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“Walgreens has long planned to close hundreds of locations,” wrote Preston on Twitter. “In an SEC (U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission) filing in August 2019, Walgreens stated that it planned to close approximately 200 U.S. stores following ‘a review of the real estate footprint in the United States.’ So is Walgreens closing stores because of theft or because of a pre-existing business plan to cut costs and increase profits by consolidating stores and shifting customers to online purchases?”https://www.sfexaminer.com/archives/...f8840b26c.html
It was only after the press made the association between Walgreen's closing and Retail theft that Walgreens started using that as an excuse:
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“Data released by the San Francisco Police Department does not support the explanation announced by Walgreens that it is closing five stores because of organized, rampant retail theft,” reports the San Francisco Chronicle. “One of the stores set to close, on Ocean Avenue, had only seven reported shoplifting incidents this year and a total of 23 since 2018, the data showed. While not all shoplifting incidents are reported to police, the five stores slated to close had fewer than two recorded shoplifting incidents a month on average since 2018.” https://www.sfexaminer.com/archives/...f8840b26c.html
Who was behind Boudin's recall? (Read the entire article, C-D TOS doesn't allow me to post the whole thing)
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State filing laws mean that anyone who gave money to the Neighbors PAC after June 31 won’t be disclosed until January, 2022, but prior filings reveal that it has been financed by a handful of extremely wealthy donors. In June, it received a total of $720,000 from just nine donors: Paul Holden Spaht Jr, Miriam L. Haas, Jason Moment, William F. Duhamel, Matthew Paige, Kevin Marchetti (on behalf of Kams Cold Storage LLC), John C. Atwater, Diane “Dede” Wilsey and Thomas Perkins. https://missionlocal.org/2021/12/exp...boudin-recall/
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I don't see downtowns as over yet nationwide. But the health of these communities is far more contingent on being percieved as safe. Do you still want to eat outside in a sidewalk cafe if you smell urine or feces? Walk around in downtown Stockton and ask yourself why isn't it an appealing place to hang out. Its a mixed use neighborhood with a waterfront, multiple sports stadiums and yet without a lot of people down there, one of the things that holds the area back is that it feels more seedy than safe. If your car is being broken into when you park downtown, are you going to want to drive there? My girlfriend's car Noe Valley has been broken into so many times, she got rid of the car because she couldn't afford to rent a garage, but she has watched guys shooting up on the Muni bus, so she doesn't feel real great taking public transit anymore either, especially at night, so she is looking to get out of the city.

Car breakins are so bad in SF right now, the Chronicle has a regularly updated tracker. But when you walk around in SF, you also can see these notes on the cars where people write, car unlocked no valuables inside, please don't break my car window again. I had never seen that before.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/sf-car-breakins/
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Is SF a pretty place to live, yes. Do I think it is turning into Stockton tommorrow? No. But the trendline is currently going in the wrong direction. Do I think it can bounce back yes? But I think they have to work on making the place feel livable to current residents and potential residents.
Your screed about how bad San Francisco is just opinion, and you had the audacity to claim that what I posted wasn't useful because it was just opinion. But here's a question I would like to see you address, for some reason you made this about Boudin, so tell me this, how is the new DA going to stop car break-ins, retail theft or eliminate the urine or feces odor?
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Old 06-20-2022, 12:48 PM
 
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Sending someone to a luxury resort literally costs less than keeping them in prison. Providing public-funded college and vocational training to all American children and young people would also cost less than prison, and have a more positive effect on reducing crime rates as it expands economic opportunity for a greater number of people.
Before young adults could take advantage of public-funded college and voc training, they'd have to learn to read. First, we'd need to make sure the schools are teaching them sufficient reading skills to take an SAT or read and be able to respond to a job application. Some public defenders say, that a significant percentage of criminals never learned to read.
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Old 06-20-2022, 12:48 PM
 
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Here's the Sacramento we experienced on Sunday.

Instead of going to a family bbq swim party Father's Day celebration in suburban Carmichael..

We walked to Sacramento's Tahoe Park and joined our neighbor who hosted an outdoor birthday party for her trans teenager, she is white and her partner is black , so they made it a combined Juneteenth/birthday celebration ironically on Fathers Day. A small group but we had fun and the rest of Tahoe Park was very lively with other Juneteenth celebrations, and lots of LIVE music....mostly old time R&B........and perfect weather to be Outside in the park.

Does Sacramento get a bad rap....it shouldn't, if it does.
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Old 06-20-2022, 01:00 PM
 
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Here's the Sacramento we experienced on Sunday.

Instead of going to a family bbq swim party Father's Day celebration in suburban Carmichael..

We walked to Sacramento's Tahoe Park and joined our neighbor who hosted an outdoor birthday party for her trans teenager, she is white and her partner is black , so they made it a combined Juneteenth/birthday celebration ironically on Fathers Day. A small group but we had fun and the rest of Tahoe Park was very lively with other Juneteenth celebrations, and lots of LIVE music....mostly old time R&B........and perfect weather to be Outside in the park.

Does Sacramento get a bad rap....it shouldn't, if it does.
Chim, I suspect that some of the people, who thing Sac has a deservedly bad rap, are the same people who are going around saying, "Juneteenth? What's THAT?! And how did it get to be a federal holiday? "
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Old 06-20-2022, 01:24 PM
 
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Before young adults could take advantage of public-funded college and voc training, they'd have to learn to read. First, we'd need to make sure the schools are teaching them sufficient reading skills to take an SAT or read and be able to respond to a job application. Some public defenders say, that a significant percentage of criminals never learned to read.
The family is the first school. Every criminal you read about or see on the street started off by making trouble in their elementary and middle schools. It only takes a couple to disrupt an entire class. They got used to No Consequences a long time before they became adult criminals. They had a lot of special resources thrown their way in the form of Special Ed. funding, School Psychologists and Social Workers, Summer School as well as other intervention opportunities, etc. You tell me why "a significant percentage of criminals never learned to read."
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