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Old 03-21-2023, 06:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Valley Boy View Post
Not really. This type of stuff is happening in nearly every major city. Crime is out of control everywhere that is not rural America.
Crime is apparently out of control in rural America:


https://www.wsj.com/story/murder-rat...erica-bb431022


https://www.americanprogress.org/art...rural-america/


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...al-crime-wave/


https://relevantmagazine.com/current...inched-up-too/


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-rural-america


Meanwhile, crime rates overall dropped a bit from 2021 to 2022


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/26/u...data-2022.html


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...2/11075070002/



In reality, crime rates aren't anywhere near the highs they reached from the mid 1960s to mid 1990s, not in Sacramento and not in the United States' big cities overall. Where we've seen a spike is on the right-wing propaganda channels demanding that militarized police be allowed to commit murder with impunity as long as the people they're killing aren't registered Republicans--and, in what is perhaps their greatest irony, the forthcoming Republican budget calls for massive federal budget cuts in programs that fund police departments--meaning that the Republican House might end up defunding the police, while calls to do so have fallen on deaf ears among Democratic-run cities, where police budgets are stable or rising (the Sacramento city council approved increases in police budgets in 2021 and 2022, and just voted to buy the police department a second armored vehicle that totally isn't a tank!)
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Old 03-21-2023, 06:58 PM
 
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Still higher than most of the country
no, actually that is not correct.
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Old 03-21-2023, 07:20 PM
 
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There are a lot of people who have an interest in making us believe that 'crime is rampant'. Law enforcement agencies always want to grow their numbers and they can't do that without making people think they are under siege, the bigger the agency the more power it has to lobby for wage and benefit increases and more cops means more opportunities for promotions. Retail lobbyists want police agencies to assign cops to stores and increase penalties for shoplifting. Privateers who prepare food for prisons/jails like Aramark are dependent upon large numbers of incarcerated people. There are companies that run private prisons & jails, they thrive on so many people being incarcerated that there isn't enough room for more inmates in prisons or jails so they need to hire private companies. And there are healthcare companies who compete for contracts with jails. There are tons of money to be made and the only way to get it is to scare the bejesus out of people

The simple fact is that crime is not rampant and as Wburg said it's much lower than it was in the past.

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After reaching a peak of 1,115 per 100,000 residents in 1992, California’s violent crime rate steadily fell, reaching a 50-year low of 392 in 2014. While the violent crime rate has fluctuated year-over-year, it has remained relatively stable this past decade—between 428 and 466, hovering near its 2010 level (440), when California embarked on major criminal justice reforms. https://www.ppic.org/publication/cri...in-california/
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Old 03-21-2023, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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In reality, crime rates aren't anywhere near the highs they reached from the mid 1960s to mid 1990s, not in Sacramento and not in the United States' big cities overall. Where we've seen a spike is on the right-wing propaganda channels demanding that militarized police be allowed to commit murder with impunity as long as the people they're killing aren't registered Republicans--and, in what is perhaps their greatest irony, the forthcoming Republican budget calls for massive federal budget cuts in programs that fund police departments--meaning that the Republican House might end up defunding the police, while calls to do so have fallen on deaf ears among Democratic-run cities, where police budgets are stable or rising (the Sacramento city council approved increases in police budgets in 2021 and 2022, and just voted to buy the police department a second armored vehicle that totally isn't a tank!)
Is this really what the Right Wing is demanding? I'd love to see a video clip of this, if you have one The Left Wing is becoming as bad as the Right Wing with wild exaggerations and mis-representations.
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Old 03-21-2023, 10:04 PM
 
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Is this really what the Right Wing is demanding? I'd love to see a video clip of this, if you have one The Left Wing is becoming as bad as the Right Wing with wild exaggerations and mis-representations.
How else would you interpret the poster above, who claims that the police have to break the law to enforce the law, and implied that people would forget about things like George Floyd?

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Originally Posted by ValleyBoy
Most who work in law enforcement or survived the 80's and 90's in big cities knew better. Sometimes cops have to break the law to enforce the law. And sometimes there is collateral damage when you have a war on crime. That's just how it is.

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People will have forgotten all about George Floyd, just like the 80's when they forgot about college hippes amd Civil igjts marchers getting their skulls cracked in the 1960's. Folks will start backing the BOYS IN BLUE, and will demand leaders clean **** up.
The protests following his death were in response to repeated incidents of this sort--the long-standing tradition of institutionalized but extrajudicial killing that were part and parcel of law enforcement back in the "good old days" that the right longs to return to--the "good old days" of brutalizing civil rights activists and shooting antiwar protesters at Kent State. So, no, suggesting that the left is as bad as the right is a false equivalency; they're demanding the right to enforce the law through fear of extrajudicial execution with no consequences for "collateral damage," while the left is demanding that this practice end. How are those the same?
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Old 03-21-2023, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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the right-wing propaganda channels demanding that militarized police be allowed to commit murder with impunity
You specifically said "Right-wing propaganda channels demanding that militarized police be allowed to commit murder" . . .

Then as evidence of this Right Wing Propaganda, you provide one guy on this forum who is giving his prediction of what he think will happen in the future. Is this City-Data forum a "propaganda channel"? Are you sure you understand the meaning of False Equivalency?

You are clueless if you think that anyone in a position of authority or influence is calling for "the good old days of brutalizing civil rights activists," etc etc. Such ranting is so laughable that it wouldn't even be worthy of a Straw Man Argument

Newsflash: Cops are now quickly losing their jobs for this type of behavior, and nobody on Fox or other MSM (not even AM radio) is calling for a return to brutalizing activists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KElPwmwP8co

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Old 03-22-2023, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Folsom, CA
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The definition of a right wing conservative = a progressive who has been mugged.
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Old 03-22-2023, 10:28 AM
 
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The definition of a right wing conservative = a progressive who has been mugged.

I've been mugged. It sucked. Still not a conservative.
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Old 03-22-2023, 10:31 AM
 
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Newsflash: Cops are now quickly losing their jobs for this type of behavior, and nobody on Fox or other MSM (not even AM radio) is calling for a return to brutalizing activists:

That's great news if true, but typically murder and assault calls for more serious responses than job loss. And considering what's happening with the "Cop City" protests outside Atlanta these days, implying a "return" to brutalizing activists is a laugh considering that they never stopped, but thank you for acknowledging that police frequently brutalize activists.
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Old 03-22-2023, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Elk Grove, CA
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First off, you have to take crime rates with a grain of salt. Things that were crimes 30 years ago, are not crimes today( for example Marijuana possesion or vagrancy). Secondly, many quality of life crimes are no longer being enforced. Third, most agencies do not have the staffing to police proactively (ie find crime). Most agencies are purely reactive (ie respond to calls for service).

For these reasons crime appears "down", statistically.

But people are not stupid. They know the streets are more dangerous, they know fewer cops are visible, and they know violent criminals are being let back onto the street in minimal time that would be unthinkable even 15 years ago.

No amount of liberal obfuscation changes this. And at the end of the day people vote with their feet.
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