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Old 03-22-2023, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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First off, you have to take crime rates with a grain of salt. Things that were crimes 30 years ago, are not crimes today( for example Marijuana possesion or vagrancy). Secondly, many quality of life crimes are no longer being enforced. Third, most agencies do not have the staffing to police proactively (ie find crime). Most agencies are purely reactive (ie respond to calls for service).

For these reasons crime appears "down", statistically.

But people are not stupid. They know the streets are more dangerous, they know fewer cops are visible, and they know violent criminals are being let back onto the street in minimal time that would be unthinkable even 15 years ago.

No amount of liberal obfuscation changes this. And at the end of the day people vote with their feet.
Yes, but have you heard about how to reduce the numbers of suspensions in public schools?

https://edsource.org/2019/how-l-a-un...s-later/620949
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Old 03-22-2023, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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That's great news if true, but typically murder and assault calls for more serious responses than job loss. And considering what's happening with the "Cop City" protests outside Atlanta these days, implying a "return" to brutalizing activists is a laugh considering that they never stopped, but thank you for acknowledging that police frequently brutalize activists.

Get real. The police are much more heavily monitored these days, and are not "frequently brutalizing activists." Here's a monitor the police activist being detained by the police. It's more likely that you will find people like this giving the police a hassle than "murder and assault" by the police, who you seem to think are "brutalizing activists."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFx-2I3UVZQ

The real sad thing here is that Liberal Progressives have always been on the right side of history, with civil rights, women's rights, gay rights/marriage, etc., until recently.

Then progressives like you came along and brought us policies like the ones allowing shoplifters to get away with up to $900, renters to not pay rent for 3 years during "Covid Emergency," "Defund the police," and transexual guys competing against women in sporting events, just to name a few. Guys like you are the reason that someone like Trump could win in 2016. I could never vote for such a vile narcissist, but apparently nearly half of the country was thinking that someone like Trump was better than letting the Left Wingers like you implement policies that poo-poo law enforcement. I agree that the police need to be monitored and audited, but you don't seem to have a clue about the need to deter and punish criminals. To those swing voters who are in the Middle of the political spectrum, Left Wingers like you are more scary than someone like Trump! How else does someone who was impeached twice (for very real offenses) even come close in the national election?
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Old 03-23-2023, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Folsom, CA
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Yes, but have you heard about how to reduce the numbers of suspensions in public schools?

https://edsource.org/2019/how-l-a-un...s-later/620949
Well instead of suspending unruly kids from school, they could implement a plan where faculty members would "shake them down" for firearms before they enter the campus. Oops scratch that, some kid in Denver yesterday came to school with a gun and shot two school officials. So now it is back to armed police on campus which, it has been argued, disproportianately target minority students. Oh the horror!
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Old 03-23-2023, 10:19 AM
 
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Perhaps Sacramento gets a bad rap because of all the "moderates" in the suburbs who are terrified by what they are told to be terrified by on Fox News? Kind of funny to hear someone who calls themselves a moderate but parrots right-wing talking points claim "liberal progressives" were always on the right side of history regarding women's rights, civil rights, gay marriage etc., but the same folks screamed just as loudly about how these would result in the collapse of civilization back then, just as hard as they shriek about the pending horror of trans rights today. Not sure what to make of the assumption that not evicting people en masse over the past 3 years somehow convinced people to vote for Trump in 2020 (since that hadn't actually happened yet)? Maybe they feel like there aren't enough unhoused people on the streets already and want to see more?


Anyhow, if people are voting with their feet and their dollars, they're voting for Sacramento--the city and county both grew by 15% from 2010-2020, the central city grew at twice that rate, and new construction citywide seems to be filling up as rapidly as it gets built (something like 2000 or so new housing units in the central city alone since 2020.) As the central city has rapidly repopulated, neighborhoods come to life along R Street and there's even signs of urban repair downtown along K Street as new housing opens up and businesses open to serve the crowds showing up downtown for various events, conventions, games, concerts, etcetera. So reports of Sacramento's demise seem to be greatly exaggerated by folks who are terrified of what they think happens in big cities because of what they see on Tucker Carlson.
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Old 03-23-2023, 10:52 AM
 
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Grew up most life here and it is not as good as it used to be but there are worse places to live that cost more. So not all bad.
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Old 03-23-2023, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Perhaps Sacramento gets a bad rap because of all the "moderates" in the suburbs who are terrified by what they are told to be terrified by on Fox News? Kind of funny to hear someone who calls themselves a moderate but parrots right-wing talking points claim "liberal progressives" were always on the right side of history regarding women's rights, civil rights, gay marriage etc., but the same folks screamed just as loudly about how these would result in the collapse of civilization back then, just as hard as they shriek about the pending horror of trans rights today. Not sure what to make of the assumption that not evicting people en masse over the past 3 years somehow convinced people to vote for Trump in 2020 (since that hadn't actually happened yet)? Maybe they feel like there aren't enough unhoused people on the streets already and want to see more?


Anyhow, if people are voting with their feet and their dollars, they're voting for Sacramento--the city and county both grew by 15% from 2010-2020, the central city grew at twice that rate, and new construction citywide seems to be filling up as rapidly as it gets built (something like 2000 or so new housing units in the central city alone since 2020.) As the central city has rapidly repopulated, neighborhoods come to life along R Street and there's even signs of urban repair downtown along K Street as new housing opens up and businesses open to serve the crowds showing up downtown for various events, conventions, games, concerts, etcetera. So reports of Sacramento's demise seem to be greatly exaggerated by folks who are terrified of what they think happens in big cities because of what they see on Tucker Carlson.
You have a way of getting things wrong, and you spin, misrepresent, and make Straw Man arguments just as bad as Fox News. The truth is usually found In between the rantings of wild-eyed conservatives and Neo-liberals like yourself. And you really do tarnish the name of the Progressives all of the work that was done by the previous liberal progressives.

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Old 03-23-2023, 12:45 PM
 
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You have a way of getting things wrong, and you spin, misrepresent, and make Straw Man arguments just as bad as Fox News. The truth is usually found In between the rantings of wild-eyed conservatives and Neo-liberals like yourself. And you really do tarnish the name of the Progressives all of the work that was done by the previous liberal progressives.
Dude, that's not what neoliberals are, a neoliberal is a "fiscal conservative" (the dictionary definition of "neoliberal" is an advocate or supporter of free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending, look it up if you don't believe me) and most neoliberals are likely to be Republicans (and some Democrats); the main difference between neoliberals and neoconservatives is that neoconservatives are more likely to be socially conservative too.



This thread is just turning into a shouting match since apparently you're more interested in talking about me instead of Sacramento, so I'm gonna bow out for a while.
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Old 03-23-2023, 02:27 PM
 
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I've been mugged. It sucked. Still not a conservative.
Nice to know karma really does happen!
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Old 03-23-2023, 02:32 PM
 
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First off, you have to take crime rates with a grain of salt. Things that were crimes 30 years ago, are not crimes today( for example Marijuana possesion or vagrancy). Secondly, many quality of life crimes are no longer being enforced. Third, most agencies do not have the staffing to police proactively (ie find crime). Most agencies are purely reactive (ie respond to calls for service).

For these reasons crime appears "down", statistically.

But people are not stupid. They know the streets are more dangerous, they know fewer cops are visible, and they know violent criminals are being let back onto the street in minimal time that would be unthinkable even 15 years ago.

No amount of liberal obfuscation changes this. And at the end of the day people vote with their feet.
THIS. And yet, you voted for officials who gleefully let all that happen?
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Old 03-23-2023, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by Valley Boy View Post
First off, you have to take crime rates with a grain of salt. Things that were crimes 30 years ago, are not crimes today( for example Marijuana possesion or vagrancy). Secondly, many quality of life crimes are no longer being enforced. Third, most agencies do not have the staffing to police proactively (ie find crime). Most agencies are purely reactive (ie respond to calls for service).

For these reasons crime appears "down", statistically.

But people are not stupid. They know the streets are more dangerous, they know fewer cops are visible, and they know violent criminals are being let back onto the street in minimal time that would be unthinkable even 15 years ago.

No amount of liberal obfuscation changes this. And at the end of the day people vote with their feet.
Crime rates are based on felony offenses, not vagrancy or marijuana possession, the fact is that crime is down significantly sorry you are having such a hard time accepting it.
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