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Old 06-22-2023, 01:15 PM
 
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The conservative response is to prosecute crime, make sure law enforcement is adequately staffed, and not rely on heavily manipulated stats to push a false narrative that crime is "down".

Again, people aren't stupid. A simple drive on the freeway or surface streets can give one all the impression they need as to the general lawlessness of Sac on a whole.

And the conservative solution is a lot better than the liberal one, which is to manipulate stats, push the decriminalization of criminal activity (ie moving the goal posts sell a false narrative), and light punishment for criminal behavior.
You're kidding, right? Look at Bakersfield, it's as red as any city in a Red state and has a very high crime rate. It has the honor of being ranked as being one of the top ten most deadly cities in the US. And yes, it has a Republican Mayor.

No one has pushed decriminalization of criminal activity, (if you are talking about prop 47 give it a rest, there is no evidence that its passage increased the crime rate except for a short time after it was enacted) And there is a much higher recidivism rate among people who serve long prison terms than there is for people who serve shorter jail sentences, but that shouldn't surprise anyone - go to a California prison for stealing a car and two years later get out belonging to a gang and doing drive-by shootings.

You are sharing your beliefs, not reality. It costs $106,000 a year to keep an inmate in state prison and the counties putting the most people in prison are coincidentally the ones with Republican mayors and high crime rates, i.e Kings County, Kern County, Shasta County- it sure hasn't worked for them has it? In fact, most red counties in California have arrest rates among the highest in the state and all the "tough on crime" silliness has not worked to lower their crime rate.
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Old 06-22-2023, 01:20 PM
 
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As someone who does this for a living, I can vouch that crime stats are a horrible metric. And easily manipulated. An officer gets a call about a bar fight in midtown. No one can get their story straight on who started, and neither party wants to press charges. And the responding officer does not have the time to waste writing a report, since neither party will be taken into custody.

So everyone agrees to drop the whole thing, and two violent crimes never get tallied in the stats. Same thing happens, with property crime. This happens dozens of times a day, just in Sac City limits.

So the "factual evidence" about crime is not an accurate reflection of the situation on the ground. It's like trying to analyze weather reports from 1800's, before they measured humidity, wind speed, barometric pressure, air quality, etc.

Safety is subjective and as liberals are showing, they have a very high tolerance for social decay and lawlessness. They view victims of crime as collateral damage, in their quest for socialist utopia.
whoa...you want cops to write a report on an incident where neither party wants to press charges? Get ready to hire another 400 cops. All crime information is based on reported crime and there are always, and will always be crimes that go unreported. For you to claim to "do that work for a living" and not understand that is really puzzling.
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Old 06-22-2023, 01:32 PM
 
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The conservative response is to prosecute crime, make sure law enforcement is adequately staffed, and not rely on heavily manipulated stats to push a false narrative that crime is "down".

Again, people aren't stupid. A simple drive on the freeway or surface streets can give one all the impression they need as to the general lawlessness of Sac on a whole.

And the conservative solution is a lot better than the liberal one, which is to manipulate stats, push the decriminalization of criminal activity (ie moving the goal posts sell a false narrative), and light punishment for criminal behavior.
Why not extrapolate all of that to the City of Bakersfield and explain what went wrong since it is staunchly conservative, hires more cops than most cities of a similar size, and loves to prosecute people but in spite of all of that they are the in the top 10 of "most dangerous cities in the US"
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Old 06-23-2023, 09:31 AM
 
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Bakersfield is full of illegals from central America that bring a high crime rate with them.
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Old 06-23-2023, 10:27 AM
 
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Bakersfield is full of illegals from central America that bring a high crime rate with them.
oh so that explains it ...Are you absolutely sure of that? I was told in this thread that it is the Democratic Mayor who causes crime... but Bakersfield is run by Republicans.

I can't tell you who is doing all the crime in Bako, I can't get current data on that but you might find this interesting. https://www.newsweek.com/colin-kaepe...strict-1776645
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Old 06-23-2023, 10:31 AM
 
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On a different note, has anyone noticed how crazy drivers have become here in Sacramento lately? I’ve had to drive more defensively lately.
No kidding, but at least the non-incorporated parts of Sac have an excuse, Sac Sheriff Deputies aren't even issued ticket books - CHP is responsible for all traffic control and they have very little interest in driving around writing speeding tickets.
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Old 06-23-2023, 01:42 PM
 
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It seems like folks on the right consider "criminal" to be something inherent to a person that they carry around with them, rather than criminal acts being something that anyone can do--and they seem to be able to tell who is a "criminal" based on skin color or national origin. So naturally they'd see Bakersfield, a city that is more than 50% Hispanic/Latino, as filled with people they assume are criminals, and can immediately tell when they are "illegal" using, I dunno, some super Republican sense or something. There's always an excuse for the "personal responsibility" crowd that is never personally responsible for anything.
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Old 06-24-2023, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Elk Grove, CA
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Why not extrapolate all of that to the City of Bakersfield and explain what went wrong since it is staunchly conservative, hires more cops than most cities of a similar size, and loves to prosecute people but in spite of all of that they are the in the top 10 of "most dangerous cities in the US"
First, a Mayor of Bakersfield has no authority regarding the criminal justice system, and Mayor is a non-partisan position . Second, that office is just like most Mayor's offices in CA - a weak mayor system, in which the mayor is a figurehead and just an extra vote in city council meetings. The city manager runs the executive office and is appointed by the council.


Third, Bakersfield is not some nation state. The Judges are still appointed by the liberal Governor. And those judges are bound by laws enacted by the liberal state legislature.

Fourth, Bakersfield is not even remotely close to being a top 10 most dangerous city. Your link is based on a half-baked "survey", not based off crime data compiled by the FBI. Bakersfield is not even top 20.
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Old 06-24-2023, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Elk Grove, CA
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whoa...you want cops to write a report on an incident where neither party wants to press charges? Get ready to hire another 400 cops. All crime information is based on reported crime and there are always, and will always be crimes that go unreported. For you to claim to "do that work for a living" and not understand that is really puzzling.
Your reading comprehension appears to be limited. I pointed out that using heavily manipulated stats, as if it were scientific factual data, to prove crime is down is a fools errand.

The year 2021 saw homicide increas by 31% from 2020. Year over year. You read that right, 31%. That is literally INSANE. And 2022 only saw 4 less homicides than 2021.

Like I said, the liberal narrative that Sacramento is "safer" than it has ever been is simply false. It's more violent, with more unstable people on the street, thanks to the liberal 9th Appeals Court. And Judges can't throw the book at criminals even if they wanted to, thanks the liberal legislature that mandates soft punishment. But then most of the Judges appointed by Republicans are long since retired, so it's not like there is anyone willing to be tough from the bench.
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Old 06-24-2023, 08:03 PM
 
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First, a Mayor of Bakersfield has no authority regarding the criminal justice system, and Mayor is a non-partisan position . Second, that office is just like most Mayor's offices in CA - a weak mayor system, in which the mayor is a figurehead and just an extra vote in city council meetings. The city manager runs the executive office and is appointed by the council.


Third, Bakersfield is not some nation state. The Judges are still appointed by the liberal Governor. And those judges are bound by laws enacted by the liberal state legislature.

Fourth, Bakersfield is not even remotely close to being a top 10 most dangerous city. Your link is based on a half-baked "survey", not based off crime data compiled by the FBI. Bakersfield is not even top 20.
But every day in these forums I am told that when there are cities with a high crime rate it's the fault of the Democrat mayor, don't believe me, just go through some of the posts in PoC
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