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Old 06-14-2022, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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No, I'm saying that police should not have an unlimited right to kill people for looking at them cross-eyed, and the reason why there is a Black Lives Matter movement is because of the nearly unchecked power of police to kill people of color with minimal justification. It happens disturbingly often in this country, which, again, is why a movement was started to protest its frequency and blatant application in contemporary society. If police are stressed and burned out by murdering people like George Floyd, then they should definitely stop doing that and start doing police work instead. And, again, if someone thinks that kneeling on someone's neck like George Floyd is police work, they're asking to live in a police state, and if a police officer thinks it is, they're a disgrace to their profession, and they should quit their jobs or be fired.
As you can see here, there are a lot of thorny issues involved in police work, that don't always involve minorities, or dangerous suspects. There are different legal as well as political opinions on this stuff, and as always, the devil is in the details:



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Old 06-15-2022, 11:38 AM
 
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The purpose of the BLM insurrection was to change police procedures. That happened. We are now dealing with the consequences of that. The more you defund the police and stop enforcing the law the more unlivable your city becomes. That was why Chesa Boudin was recalled in SF, the drug dealers were running amok and stores were closing due to all of the shoplifting that the junkies were doing to fund their addictions. But sure go ahead defund the police. Let us see how well that goes here.
No police agency in the County was 'defunded' and bringing Boudin into this as though he caused crime in SF is laughable. Violent crime in Sacramento with "tough on crime" DA Shubert in charge went up while crime in SF and LA with their "progressive" DA's went down. https://www.davisvanguard.org/2022/0...icies-failing/

I don't think that proves that progressive District Attorney's reduce crime but that study along with others show that neither do 'tough on crime' District Attorneys.
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Old 06-15-2022, 12:04 PM
 
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No police agency in the County was 'defunded' and bringing Boudin into this as though he caused crime in SF is laughable. Violent crime in Sacramento with "tough on crime" DA Shubert in charge went up while crime in SF and LA with their "progressive" DA's went down. https://www.davisvanguard.org/2022/0...icies-failing/

I don't think that proves that progressive District Attorney's reduce crime but that study along with others show that neither do 'tough on crime' District Attorneys.
Not buying that one at all. Once you know the police know the DA isn't going to file charges, the police stop making arrests for charges they know aren't going to be filed. As the public realizes the police aren't going to do anything, they stop calling the police. But your city rapidly becomes unliveable as crime spirals out of control and stores close and reduce hours.

https://qz.com/2077384/why-is-walgre...san-francisco/

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco...eft-hours-cut/

But the bigger problem is drug dealing. You have the Fentanyl and meth addicts and they need money to support their habits, so they are shop lifting to support their habits. You need the threat of incarceration to get addicts to agree to enter rehab and to get rid of the dealers. If that isn't occurring the addicts will just shoplift to support their habit and avoid treatment.
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Old 06-15-2022, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Not buying that one at all. Once you know the police know the DA isn't going to file charges, the police stop making arrests for charges they know aren't going to be filed. As the public realizes the police aren't going to do anything, they stop calling the police. But your city rapidly becomes unliveable as crime spirals out of control and stores close and reduce hours.

https://qz.com/2077384/why-is-walgre...san-francisco/

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco...eft-hours-cut/

But the bigger problem is drug dealing. You have the Fentanyl and meth addicts and they need money to support their habits, so they are shop lifting to support their habits. You need the threat of incarceration to get addicts to agree to enter rehab and to get rid of the dealers. If that isn't occurring the addicts will just shoplift to support their habit and avoid treatment.
Yep. This is common sense, which unfortunately isn't so common.
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Old 06-15-2022, 01:03 PM
 
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Not buying that one at all. Once you know the police know the DA isn't going to file charges, the police stop making arrests for charges they know aren't going to be filed. As the public realizes the police aren't going to do anything, they stop calling the police. But your city rapidly becomes unliveable as crime spirals out of control and stores close and reduce hours.

https://qz.com/2077384/why-is-walgre...san-francisco/

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco...eft-hours-cut/

But the bigger problem is drug dealing. You have the Fentanyl and meth addicts and they need money to support their habits, so they are shop lifting to support their habits. You need the threat of incarceration to get addicts to agree to enter rehab and to get rid of the dealers. If that isn't occurring the addicts will just shoplift to support their habit and avoid treatment.
Well that's certainly not happening here in spite of Schubert, if you live in the County you can't get a deputy to respond unless it's an emergency, so if no one is arrested it's really hard to threaten anything. And we've spent a trillion dollars in 50 years on the war on drugs and neither supply or demand have decreased.

PS you might want to read the entire article for the Walgreen stores closing, it debunks the story about the stores closing because of theft, the stores were already destined to close because they weren't generating enough sales. Regarding Target, I don't doubt that they are closing early because of theft, that's why the Winco Store in Country Club Centre closes at midnight while other Winco stores are still open 24/7
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Old 06-15-2022, 01:07 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Sacramento is a poorly run city. The city council sells out to developers and does nothing to make the city more exciting to tourists or to locals. The Railyard development is a perfect example. Massive development smack dab downtown where they could have done anything. I thought, why not add a world class tourist attraction, and give bay area drivers on their way to and from Lake Tahoe a reason to stop and play and maybe stay overnight.

Specifically, a wild west themed park would fit in well with Sacramento's gold rush history. Rides, shoot outs, wagons, forts, etc. Just one suggestion. I realize a western theme park might be completely passe in this woke climate of multiculturalism that it won't work. I am not suggesting I know the right tourist attraction.

How about a top tier water park instead of the rink-a-dink in Cal Expo?

How about an observation tower with a revolving restaurant like Seattle's. Would not have to be too tall or too expensive. Keep it in budget.

How about a beautiful garden for a tourist attraction?

Nope. Nothing but office, retail, high density residential for the Railyard project. Same old, same old BS. Same old idiotic Sacramento. Same old selling out to the Developers. Nothing new under the sun.

Sacramento will never be a top tier city. If it wasn't for the train museum in Old Sac, there wouldn't be anything to see in the City of Sacramento. They continue to screw it up. Stupid idiots.
A water park in a seriously drought-stricken state? Um....no. 20 years ago, maybe. But now is not the time.
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Old 06-15-2022, 01:15 PM
 
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Well that's certainly not happening here in spite of Schubert, if you live in the County you can't get a deputy to respond unless it's an emergency, so if no one is arrested it's really hard to threaten anything. And we've spent a trillion dollars in 50 years on the war on drugs and neither supply or demand have decreased.

PS you might want to read the entire article for the Walgreen stores closing, it debunks the story about the stores closing because of theft, the stores were already destined to close because they weren't generating enough sales. Regarding Target, I don't doubt that they are closing early because of theft, that's why the Winco Store in Country Club Centre closes at midnight while other Winco stores are still open 24/7

Criminals need to be taken off the streets if you want to clean up your city. Even if that means putting them into luxury resorts, which if run privately, would probably cost less than the state prison system.
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Old 06-15-2022, 01:41 PM
 
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Criminals need to be taken off the streets if you want to clean up your city. Even if that means putting them into luxury resorts, which if run privately, would probably cost less than the state prison system.
Don't look at me, I have no influence over that and when you live in a county where each Board of Supervisor has over 300,000 constituents complaining to them is about as useful as whistling in the wind.
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Old 06-15-2022, 04:24 PM
 
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Criminals need to be taken off the streets if you want to clean up your city. Even if that means putting them into luxury resorts, which if run privately, would probably cost less than the state prison system.

Sending someone to a luxury resort literally costs less than keeping them in prison. Providing public-funded college and vocational training to all American children and young people would also cost less than prison, and have a more positive effect on reducing crime rates as it expands economic opportunity for a greater number of people.
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Old 06-15-2022, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Sending someone to a luxury resort literally costs less than keeping them in prison. Providing public-funded college and vocational training to all American children and young people would also cost less than prison, and have a more positive effect on reducing crime rates as it expands economic opportunity for a greater number of people.

Yes, but the financial part (throwing taxpayer money at a problem) is the easy part of the equation. Getting people to do what they are supposed to do -- ie. attend classes, study for exams, Not drop out of school, Not become drug addicts, Not commit crime to support a drug addiction -- is the more difficult part.
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