Moving out of the Bay Area to the Sacramento Suburbs (Roseville, Rocklin Granite Bay, EDH and Cameron Park) (August: kitchen, place)

[Vic Romano]

Nobody mentioned Granite Bay?

[shelato]

Originally Posted by wburg

The city of Dallas and Sacramento County are pretty similar in population (1.3 million vs. 1.5 million) and homeless population (around 4500 vs about 5500 by their official counts.) So there is no explanation why homelessness is affecting them less, because it really isn't.

There is 7,637,387 in Dallas Ft Worth MSA and 2,215,770 in the Sacramento MSA according to their respective wikipedia entries. That means Dallas region is more than three times larger than Sacramento region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas...orth_metroplex
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacram...ropolitan_area

There are more than 9000 homeless people in the Dallas Fort Worth area.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...ments-by-2023/

There are 5500 homeless people in Sacramento County alone, with the number going up if you include the homeless in the surrounding counties. That means the problem is much worse here on a per capita basis.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/l...b-6b75f65972a4

Lets be honest the Sacramento regional blueprint has been an unmitigated disaster. When they made it more difficult to build on the urban fringe and tried to force development into existing neighborhoods, that dramatically increased the power of nimbys to bloock new development and urban infill is just a lot more expensive because its a lot more expensive to build upward than out. Additionally the impact fees used to subsidize low income housing both dramtically increased the cost of development which in turn slowed the rate of new construction.

Sacramento now has the same housing affordibility problems that Coastal California has. As housing prices and rents went up, because of this awful policy homeless rartes have also gone up. High housing prices create homelessness. Throw in decriminalizing retail theft and reducing drug penalties you have lots of new addicts to add to the mix.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shelato

There is 7,637,387 in Dallas Ft Worth MSA and 2,215,770 in the Sacramento MSA according to their respective wikipedia entries. That means Dallas region is more than three times larger than Sacramento region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas...orth_metroplex
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacram...ropolitan_area

There are more than 9000 homeless people in the Dallas Fort Worth area.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/poli...ments-by-2023/

There are 5500 homeless people in Sacramento County alone, with the number going up if you include the homeless in the surrounding counties. That means the problem is much worse here on a per capita basis.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/l...b-6b75f65972a4

Lets be honest the Sacramento regional blueprint has been an unmitigated disaster. When they made it more difficult to build on the urban fringe and tried to force development into existing neighborhoods, that dramatically increased the power of nimbys to bloock new development and urban infill is just a lot more expensive because its a lot more expensive to build upward than out. Additionally the impact fees used to subsidize low income housing both dramtically increased the cost of development which in turn slowed the rate of new construction.

Sacramento now has the same housing affordibility problems that Coastal California has. As housing prices and rents went up, because of this awful policy homeless rartes have also gone up. High housing prices create homelessness. Throw in decriminalizing retail theft and reducing drug penalties you have lots of new addicts to add to the mix.

Retail theft was NOT decriminalized.

[wburg]

Shelato: I would have compared county to county, but the city of Dallas includes parts of multiple counties. Comparing their city to Sacramento County, similar in terms of total sizes, was a better apples-to-apples comparison than their much larger metro area.



They didn't make it more difficult to build on the urban fringe, we're still doing it and there are active plans to do more of it, there's just kind of a general policy direction to do less but any time SACOG or any local government even makes noises about discouraging sprawl or suggests that the Blueprint might be something that can actually be enforced instead of a mere aspirational document, Region Builders' lobbyists bark and snarl until that government functionary shrieks and runs away in abject terror. The impact fees to support low income housing in the city of Sacramento are hilariously low, and are a fraction of what they are in the Bay Area where they also have inclusionary housing requirements, which we don't. So, yes, the blueprint is an unmitigated disaster, as the region is doing nothing to mitigate unchecked horizontal sprawl, with disastrous results for the region!

[mixxalot]

Granite Bay would be my first choice followed by Folsom then Fair Oaks in third place.
I live in Carmichael now and love it since I was constantly outbid on homes in Folsom and Fair Oaks and cannot afford 2 million for same place in Granite Bay. Carmichael is ok and so far no issues and my home cost 100-200k less than the other places for a large 2000 square foot home.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by mixxalot

Granite Bay would be my first choice followed by Folsom then Fair Oaks in third place.
I live in Carmichael now and love it since I was constantly outbid on homes in Folsom and Fair Oaks and cannot afford 2 million for same place in Granite Bay. Carmichael is ok and so far no issues and my home cost 100-200k less than the other places for a large 2000 square foot home.

Hi Mix, haven't heard from you for awhile! Are you happy in your new house?

[caligirlz]

Hi there, I live in Folsom.

The biggest thing to consider in our current times is the utilities cost and ability to get fire insurance if you move to El Dorado County. They have PGE vs SMUD, and have been having rolling blackouts for the past couple of years. You can currently use a generator for backup power, but thanks to California politics, small gas powered machines will be outlawed in a few years.

Plus the cost of PGE is much much more than in Sacramento SMUD country.

Also, many people are having their fire insurance cancelled, and if they can get insurance are paying much more.

Are you a Facebook user? I’d suggest joining some of the EDC specific groups to get a feel for what is happening up there.

If you can afford the higher costs, then yeah, I’d definitely recommend el dorado county.

On a side note, there are still places in/near Folsom with big lots and feel country-ish. Plus we have a fantastic trail system that connects the neighborhoods, and take you to the American River Parkway, the county gem.

Good luck with your decision

[mixxalot]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Hi Mix, haven't heard from you for awhile! Are you happy in your new house?

I am! Just painted house recently and waiting patiently for new windows to arrive. Covid has really delayed window deliveries.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by mixxalot

I am! Just painted house recently and waiting patiently for new windows to arrive. Covid has really delayed window deliveries.

yeah it's delayed a lot of stuff, our microwave started smoking and almost caught on fire, Kitchenaid offered to replace it but they couldn't get one for 6+ months, they finally found a different brand replacement and sent us that.

[mixxalot]

Originally Posted by Vic Romano

Nobody mentioned Granite Bay?

I like Granite Bay a lot and if I ever get a decent return on my stocks then would trade up from Carmichael.
Folsom, Roseville, Granite Bay are my three favorite places followed by Fair Oaks and Carmichael.