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Old 11-17-2011, 07:42 PM
 
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Gov. Herbert interested in liquor sales in grocery stores | ksl.com

Obviously I'm all for it; it's always seemed weird for me that you can't buy anything but beer at a grocery story in Utah. Whatdayathink?
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Old 11-17-2011, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Gov. Herbert interested in liquor sales in grocery stores | ksl.com

Obviously I'm all for it; it's always seemed weird for me that you can't buy anything but beer at a grocery story in Utah. Whatdayathink?
If it would give you one less thing to complain about, Chango, I hope you get your way. From my standpoint, it doesn't much matter one way or the other.
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Old 11-17-2011, 09:53 PM
 
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Obviously I'm all for it; it's always seemed weird for me that you can't buy anything but beer at a grocery story in Utah. Whatdayathink?

It won't fly.

A certain powerful religious organization will never consent.

I don't favor it either though. I think the more outlets that sell liquor, the more we'll see drunk driving rates and other problems due to the increased consumption of alcohol. The laws we have in this state go too far, but the basic concept that alcohol should be restricted and shouldn't be available everywhere is a good one. I've lived long enough to have seen a number of positive changes in our liquor laws. You can buy liquor with a credit card now. You can take your kids into the store while you shop. Anyone can go to a private club now. We have the wine stores.

I say "no" to allowing grocery stores to sell hard liquor.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:58 AM
 
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It makes sense since we all know government isn't the answer to societies woes? Amirite people????
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:24 AM
 
Location: West Jordan, UT
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If it would give you one less thing to complain about, Chango, I hope you get your way. From my standpoint, it doesn't much matter one way or the other.
lol Katz. =) I'm on the fence. I did love Ohio w/ the brew thrus & wine at every aisle, but, I agree, too many over indulge & I prefer safer roads.

However, crack down harder on texting & cell phones (even if I do it) . That is the future, & causes of accidents, & deaths!
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:24 AM
 
Location: A Place With REAL People
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complete public access to alcohol isn't going to happen to Utah. Ironically they seem to have more crimes regarding sex in this State than anywhere I've been. Weird
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:19 AM
 
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I would be interested to know if there is a *true* correlation between being able to buy wine/liquor in grocery stores and an increase in DUIs. I know many people like to believe there is, but I wonder if reality supports that belief.
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:53 AM
 
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It doesn't take a higher intelligence to say when I view guys exiting a typical 7-11 with multiple 12 packs of beer what their intentions are. It isn't to enjoy the deep flavors of the beer but to get sloppy drunk. If you don't think a good portion of those folks drink afterward you'd be delusional. I've had to live next to some of them in the past and yeah, they DO. So it won't take a poll to find out what their activities are regarding drinking and driving
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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We don't have liquor in grocery stores in MN either. It's kind of a pain but I'm used to it. It is nice when you go to another state though and can simply pick up everything you need in one stop. I've been in the SLC state liquor stores with DH. There's a lot of room for improvement there even if you don't sell liquor in a grocery store - basic things like refrigeration so you can buy cold wine or beer. Sometimes you're picking something up right before dinner or on your way to an event and you'd like it to be cold. Not to mention the whole place looks like something from a cold war communist country.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Central City, SLC
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I think the more outlets that sell liquor, the more we'll see drunk driving rates and other problems due to the increased consumption of alcohol.
That is an out-and-out myth. Increasing the availability of alcohol, either in terms of hours available or locations available, does not increase the number of drinkers or the frequency with which current drinkers imbibe.

When Arizona extended bar hours in 2004 or 2005, their Governor's Office of Highway Safety and the Department of Liquor Licenses and Control found that the change did NOT increase the number of alcohol-related traffic incidents.

George Mason economics professor Donald Boudreaux, in a study of 32 states with private liquor stores (plus DC) and 18 states with state-controlled stores, found no difference in binge drinking rates, teen drinking rates, or DUI rates between the privatized states and the government-controlled states.

Further: In 2007 the National Institutes of Health found that an average Washington state resident consumed 2.35 gallons of alcohol (over what time period, I can't recall) while the average California resident consumed 2.34 gallons of alcohol. California has 8 times the number of liquor outlets per capita than Washington, and liquor sales are "wide open" in California while in Washington (at that time) private retailers could not sell hard liquor. And yet... no statistically appreciable difference in per capita consumption.

AND... before Washington state's recent privatization, the two states to most recently privatize (and allow hard liquor in grocery stores) are Iowa (in 1988) and West Virginia (in 1990). Multiple reputable studies in those states found that liquor consumption remained unequivocally flat after the change--for years! Consumption in those states has increased a bit in more recent years, but that is a nationwide trend occurring everywhere regardless of a state's liquor laws.

So theorize all you want, but there is no correlation between increased availability and increased consumption (for any age range) or increased DUIs. In fact, there are even a few independent, academic analyses that show a decrease in DUIs and binge drinking when liquor availability increases, because people aren't worried about getting their "fill" while they can since they know it will be more readily available at their next destination.
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