Traffic Enforcement in Shavano Park (San Antonio, Leon Valley: homes, subdivision, living)

[69GSstage1]

All of these rinky-dink municipalites(i.e. Windcrest, Olmos Park, etc.) are the same. They lack any stable form of revenue save for writing fines and citations. I work in Balcones Heights and see it whenever I'm there. The best thing to do is to avoid them. If you can't avoid them, drive under the speed limlt. Just be sure you are not driving too slowly lest you be cited for impeeding traffic.

[SHAVANOPARK]

@69GSstage1 - All of the "rinky-dink" municipalities are not the same. Because the average home in Shavano Park has an appraised value of well over 500K, it does in fact has a stable form of revenue. Although the tax rate is significantly lower than San Antonio and the surrounding "rinky-ding" municipalities, its operating expenses are more than covered by property taxes.

[Soviet]

Originally Posted by SHAVANOPARK

@69GSstage1 - All of the "rinky-dink" municipalities are not the same. Because the average home in Shavano Park has an appraised value of well over 500K, it does in fact has a stable form of revenue. Although the tax rate is significantly lower than San Antonio and the surrounding "rinky-ding" municipalities, its operating expenses are more than covered by property taxes.

Oh, really? So you revenue generate just for fun & giggles, then? Well, guess whay? Your pqthetic fun & giggles result in genuine hardship for many.

So how about you get rid of the traffic police & just focus on something important like solving murder-suicides?

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by Soviet

Oh, really? So you revenue generate just for fun & giggles, then? Well, guess whay? Your pqthetic fun & giggles result in genuine hardship for many.

So how about you get rid of the traffic police & just focus on something important like solving murder-suicides?

Hey, Soviet....news flash.....breaking traffic laws IS a criminal act, and those of us that try to obey them WANT them enforced, because those that ignore the traffic laws thinking that THEY know what a speed limit should be, where the stop signs should be, etc. really don't know what they think they do, and DESERVE the tickets if they're going to ignore the laws.

The point that you continue to miss is that the law is there for a reason. Break it, pay the price. Period. Your choice, your fine - and the broken record.......it gets old.

[majormadmax]

Wait, I like the idea of being able to ignore laws you don't agree with! I for one disagree with speeders, so if I run them off the road and beat the living snot out of them, it'll be OK!

And that so-called "genuine hardship for many" can be easily avoided by obeying the speed limit! It's a pretty simple concept to understand, but somehow there's always "the few" who can't grasp it no matter how many times you explain it to them!

[Neshomamench]

Originally Posted by Soviet

Oh, really? So you revenue generate just for fun & giggles, then? Well, guess whay? Your pqthetic fun & giggles result in genuine hardship for many.

So how about you get rid of the traffic police & just focus on something important like solving murder-suicides?

More people are killed in traffic than any other non medical way. It is also one of the best way to clear/catch felons/felony warrants.

If the task is "Make people safe and catch bad guys" (and that is the task) where would be a wise place to spend most of your time and effort? Driving in a car is flat out the most dangerous common thing most people do. People who commit crimes also have to move around as well.

Second, if it is a harship, perhaps those giant signs and book of rules available to all, might be something you want to pay attention to.

We all get it, you see it another way. Again though, it is the NUMBER 1 non medical killer. Hardly what you would make it out to be and why you will never get taken very seriously on this issue. There is a reality beyond your immature anger even if what you say has a level of truth to it.

[Azure110]

As amusing it is to watch this, you will have as much luck changing Soviet's mind as he would changing your own.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by MattTx

changing Soviet's mind

Ah, but it's always interesting to turn things over just to see if there's anything on the other side!

[Soviet]

Yup, yup. MattTx is right. However, I dare say that it's somewhat more likely that YOUR mind will be changed rather than my own.....even if by the slimmest of margins.

You see, I have the argument of the law needing to be right by necessity of its importance. A low speed limit is wrong: it alters the flow of traffic (although perhaps it's a moot point by the low level of traffic in Moron Town, I mean, Shavano Park....of course, perhaps that's WHY they have the low speed limits) and it generates disrespect for the law.

It is infinitely easier to respect the law when it is RIGHT & LOGICAL. That's just a fact, isn't it?

Yes, I am aware of traffic stops beings finding plenty of drugs during interdiction, felony warrants, etc. However, the VAST majority of people stopped don't have this stuff. They're innocent, especially so when driving at an appropriate rate of speed in a place with an artifically low speed limit. Everything is a waste of their time and if cited, money.

The possibility of catching felons is not an argument for randomly pulling people over. Speeding, whether actual speeding or "speeding" (due to an artificially low speed limit) is always used as probable cause to pull someone over. Isn't it disgusting that an innocent person driving 41 mph on Lockhill-Selma (an appropriate speed for the road & you know it) can be pulled over? What a joke.

I am also aware of traffic accidents in America being a cause of great injury & death. However, to pop the speed limit from 35 mph to 40 mph on Lockhill-Selma so it will be appropriate will result in a smoother flow of traffic between the cars that are diligently following the speed limit, no matter how inappropriate it is & those cars that are driving and paying attention to the road at a speed comfortable for them. Of course, the low level of traffic on this road makes it moot, which also guarantees that few enough will complain about it to maintain Punk Town's....I mean, Shavano Park's, cash cow. Notice that they maintain the fine schedule lower than many other towns so that people are more likely to pay rather than fight? It's a scam: not about safety, not about anything other than adding to the coffers, no matter how lightly at a time. It's pathetic & you know it.

Why am I so passionate about this? Because it is WRONG, that's why. Plain & simple. Notice I don't complain about many other roads? Granted, it may be because I don't know about them. But I'm sure they're out there & if I ever find one, I WILL bring it to attention as I have brought this pathetic municipality to attention.

Improper speed limits, whether too low or too high (Wurzbach Parkway) are wrong, plain & simple. I'm just warning everybody & letting them know of the truth, that's all.

[Neshomamench]

Originally Posted by Soviet

Yup, yup. MattTx is right. However, I dare say that it's somewhat more likely that YOUR mind will be changed rather than my own.....even if by the slimmest of margins.

You see, I have the argument of the law needing to be right by necessity of its importance. A low speed limit is wrong: it alters the flow of traffic (although perhaps it's a moot point by the low level of traffic in Moron Town, I mean, Shavano Park....of course, perhaps that's WHY they have the low speed limits) and it generates disrespect for the law.

It is infinitely easier to respect the law when it is RIGHT & LOGICAL. That's just a fact, isn't it?

Yes, I am aware of traffic stops beings finding plenty of drugs during interdiction, felony warrants, etc. However, the VAST majority of people stopped don't have this stuff. They're innocent, especially so when driving at an appropriate rate of speed in a place with an artifically low speed limit. Everything is a waste of their time and if cited, money.

The possibility of catching felons is not an argument for randomly pulling people over. Speeding, whether actual speeding or "speeding" (due to an artificially low speed limit) is always used as probable cause to pull someone over. Isn't it disgusting that an innocent person driving 41 mph on Lockhill-Selma (an appropriate speed for the road & you know it) can be pulled over? What a joke.

I am also aware of traffic accidents in America being a cause of great injury & death. However, to pop the speed limit from 35 mph to 40 mph on Lockhill-Selma so it will be appropriate will result in a smoother flow of traffic between the cars that are diligently following the speed limit, no matter how inappropriate it is & those cars that are driving and paying attention to the road at a speed comfortable for them. Of course, the low level of traffic on this road makes it moot, which also guarantees that few enough will complain about it to maintain Punk Town's....I mean, Shavano Park's, cash cow. Notice that they maintain the fine schedule lower than many other towns so that people are more likely to pay rather than fight? It's a scam: not about safety, not about anything other than adding to the coffers, no matter how lightly at a time. It's pathetic & you know it.

Why am I so passionate about this? Because it is WRONG, that's why. Plain & simple. Notice I don't complain about many other roads? Granted, it may be because I don't know about them. But I'm sure they're out there & if I ever find one, I WILL bring it to attention as I have brought this pathetic municipality to attention.

Improper speed limits, whether too low or too high (Wurzbach Parkway) are wrong, plain & simple. I'm just warning everybody & letting them know of the truth, that's all.

You are not innocent if you broke the law.

And again, you are convinced you are right and every other possibility is wrong. Until you get past that and realize that more people actually see it another way, all you have is your anger and a lack of understanding why.

Good luck with that. You are very long on passion but you seriously lack an understanding of this issue. There is more to it than "how you feel about it" and you cant see that. Even if you are on the right track or even right to a point.