12-26-2011, 07:56 PM
Location: dominion, san antonio
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wehotex
Well, unless drivers are drunk 24/7, those stats don't mean a whole lot. There are MANY times more sober driving hours than drunk driving hours.
doesnt matter and your understanding of statistical data and how it presents itself in real world applications is lacking.
12-26-2011, 08:39 PM
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ThePeakOfDominance
doesnt matter and your understanding of statistical data and how it presents itself in real world applications is lacking.
68% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
12-26-2011, 08:55 PM
Location: NW San Antonio
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Statistics do not prove anything. Forty percent of people surveyed know that. This thread is hilarious. Rights violated, blood drawn everywhere, racial profiling, etc. I have been drunk as hell for the past 12 days. Have I driven once......uh not a chance in hell. I am a responsible drunk. Y'all act like your rights being violated is something new. Big brother has been doing that for years son! Don't trust anyone over 40
12-26-2011, 10:03 PM
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Waste of time and money. Too bad San Antonio as a whole can not think more progressively and install better transit options.
12-26-2011, 10:11 PM
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A mandatory blood test to prove you are not drunk will be an easy way to get citizens coded for DNA.
12-26-2011, 11:04 PM
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Originally Posted by
ThePeakOfDominance
doesnt matter and your understanding of statistical data and how it presents itself in real world applications is lacking.
HOw so? We ARE talking about drunk driving. I drink alcohol once in a blue moon. I talk on cell phone and drive 70% of my driving hours behind the wheel. Less than 1% of my driving hours while intoxicated (mildly of course). How does that not affect your stats from your data? Unless you're ready to show how large your pool was and the error range, there's no need to be so snippy toward other opinions different from your own.
12-27-2011, 07:50 AM
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Better transit options - we've discuss that and mass transit doesn't really work except for some very specific corridors. The city is too spread out.
How about making everyone drive smart cars, that little Fiat or Minicoopers? Get the giant trucks with one dude or the aircraft carrier sized Suburbans and Esclades off the road, driven by the trophy wife or upscale matron - plus Macho Man Hummers.
Or we all get scooters.
Some of this, I'm serious about -
12-27-2011, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by
wehotex
Well, unless drivers are drunk 24/7, those stats don't mean a whole lot. There are MANY times more sober driving hours than drunk driving hours.
Your understanding of statistics is appalling.
12-27-2011, 10:25 AM
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Most accidents are caused by distracted driving which is the equivalent of being drunk as far as impairment goes. The best way to look at the statistics is to look at everyone at the individual level. If all other driving hazards are taken out of the equation, would a sober person or a drunk person be more likely to get into an accident? Obviously, a drunk person would be more likely to get into an accident, so driving sober is not more hazardous because it is not the cause of accidents in the first place. What do you think would happen if there were just as many drunk drivers during the day as distracted drivers?
People are much more likely to speed and talk/text on their cell phones than drive drunk. The average person is more likely to commit smaller crimes that come with less penalties; or in the case of cell phone use, it's not even illegal in the first place. Another thing to take into consideration is that drunk driving mostly occurs during a limited time frame in the night/early morning hours and on weekends when there is hardly anyone on the road. Distracted driving occurs around the clock including daytime and weekdays when there are many more cars on the road. All said and done, drunk driving is just as much of an impairment as distracted driving, but
1. Far fewer people drive drunk.
2. Drunk driving mostly occurs when the roads are nearly empty.
16% of traffic fatalities in 2009 were linked to distracted driving. In 2009, 32% of traffic fatalities involved a driver with a BAC above the legal limit. So while drunk driving causes less accidents, alcohol-related accidents are much more likely to lead to fatalities.
Percentage of deaths linked to distracted driving remains steady - CNN
Drunk driving statistics
Another unfair way the statistics were presented is that all other causes of accidents were lumped together and compared to drunk driving. There are a couple of dozen significant causes of accidents which need to be evaluated separately such as animals in the road, weather, falling asleep, etc. When you separate all of the categories, drunk driving is the 3rd leading cause of accidents even though far fewer people engage in it than the other top causes. By the way, I think distracted drivers need to face stiffer penalties along with drunk drivers.
12-27-2011, 10:47 AM
Location: San Antonio, TX
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As long as we have idiotic judges such as Pat Priest, this problem will never be resolved here...
Day after officer's death, probation ruling shocks - San Antonio Express-News
The SAPD arrested nearly 5,800 people for DWI in 2010, up from more than 5,000 in 2009 and 4,324 in 2008 (2011 figures are not yet available). That's over
15 per day!
And if there is any involvement by the SAPD in this, it is to get the legal system to do their part in stemming this problem. Obviously it's not the fault of the police, they're doing their jobs if they're arresting 15 people a day for drinking and driving. It's the court systems and morons like Priest who are not imposing the maximum penalty under the law to put drunk drivings in jail for as long as possible!
Until such time as these idiots who drink and drive are removed from the roads, we'll have to live with such tragedies as this...
Victim of DWI crash never let friends drive drunk - San Antonio Express-News
And a few think that a
legal warrant to have someone's blood drawn after they've been stopped for drinking and driving violates their Constitutional rights?!? I wonder how they'll feel the day after one of their friends or loved ones is killed by a drunk driver. I can pretty much guarantee you their opinion will be considerably different...
By the way, anyone who thinks this is a unique problem needs to do a little research. A recent anti-DUI push in Los Angeles County yielded
1500 arrests! The year prior a similar effort over the same time period netted 1260 arrests...
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Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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