I need to get a job with SAPD! (place, good)

[majormadmax]

I am no fan of unions either, and see this as another example of their undue influence on organizations such as the SAPD.

I am pretty damn sure that this officer's retention was not something Chief McManus wanted, I have met and heard him speak on several occasions and in my opinion this city could not have a better person leading its police force. McManus is working hard to better professionalize his force and improve its image, and individuals such as Rakun are not helping towards that goal.

Remove the prohibiting factors in this case and I would bet that McManus would have dumped Rakun long ago!

Cheers! M2

[SATX56]

From the past:
From the LA Times:

Sgt. Harold Flammia, president of the union, denies widespread police corruption.
"The problems were caused by four or five officers," Flammia said. "We got a lot of bad press, but morale is back up. Our problem for the last few years has been lack of leadership."

San Antonio Police Department Is Still Reeling as Officer's Trial Opens - Los Angeles Times

City could settle with SAPD cop - San Antonio Express-News

Harold Flammia | National Legal and Policy Center

Yeah, it's a nice gig if you can get it!

[Neshomamench]

I am not going to defend this guy or others like him. You will find that the one thing most cops hate more than anything else is a bad cop and that is what this sounds like.

I would like to point out though, just for peoples knowledge, (and again that is not THIS case, this guy seems to be a tool) please understand that as bad and sensationalized as "suspension" sounds, a lot of cops get suspended for doing their jobs/the right thing/ breaking a bad policy for the sake of a citizen. It is pretty common for an LEO to have such a suspension on their record, or a few. The term can be used against them and people just hear "oh he must be bad...."

For example, an agency may have a policy that you will NOT transport injured people in your police car and you find yourself in a situation where an injured party has to go, NOW and their is no ambulance. What do you do? Of course, you do it, you take the suspension and everyone knows you did the right thing. But if you get into trouble (and you may not be guilty) and the press starts talking about "prior suspensions"....it looks real bad and it may not be at all.

Just wanted to throw that out there. I know some people dont care, wont care, dont like the Police but maybe somebody will learn something.

[Lee W.]

What a shame...it sounds like he'll be back on duty eventually. Bad cops can't be fired, apparently.

[majormadmax]

Originally Posted by SATX56

Yeah, it's a nice gig if you can get it!

Ever been on a police ride-along? I doubt you'd feel that way once you had a taste of what patrol officers in this city experience on a daily basis.

Honestly, I would not want to do it; but I have great respect for those who do.

[SATX56]

Originally Posted by majormadmax

Ever been on a police ride-along? I doubt you'd feel that way once you had a taste of what patrol officers in this city experience on a daily basis.

Honestly, I would not want to do it; but I have great respect for those who do.

Yes, I have many years ago and had plenty cop friends! Feel what way? I've known several vice officers and other patrolman including one killed in the line of duty. I've been on a ride along with a deputy where we blocked a robbery suspect leaving a La Quinta! City cops arrived jumped on the hood with a shotgun on the driver directly in front of us. There are good ones and there are bad ones. BTW, I was speaking of the union boss job! Yeah ride along.... no big deal. We all know what the police are up against and most of us back there efforts. So ..yeah I've been there ...

[Neshomamench]

Originally Posted by SATX56

We all know what the police are up against a

Very few people know what the police are up against, a few have an idea and even smaller number have a better idea but the vast majority, no matter how close they are to Officers, no matter how close they are to law enforcement, cant and dont know what the police are up against. Even if you get a taste, it doesnt even come close to doing it, day after day.

No movie, no relationship, no imagination, no small collection of participation can let a person in. (that is true for many jobs) It can give them a respect. It can give them a hint but it simply can open up that world to all that it is.

[SATX56]

Originally Posted by Neshomamench

Very few people know what the police are up against, a few have an idea and even smaller number have a better idea but the vast majority, no matter how close they are to Officers, no matter how close they are to law enforcement, cant and dont know what the police are up against. Even if you get a taste, it doesnt even come close to doing it, day after day.

No movie, no relationship, no imagination, no small collection of participation can let a person in. (that is true for many jobs) It can give them a respect. It can give them a hint but it simply can open up that world to all that it is.

I was referring to the elements you're up against. I considered the possibilities years ago then decided it wasn't for me. I know it takes a certain type individual to live with the things LE live with. It is a tough and risky job some are cut out for and some aren't. Like i said I knew quite a few and have seen the toll taken on them and their families.

[lessQQmorePEWPEW]

Originally Posted by kevcrawford

And THIS is exactly why unions have become nothing but a burden on society.

LOL hammer, meet nail's head. unions were good back in the day when employees had no rights (or very little rights). now, we have laws that handle unfair labor practices. we no longer need unions. they are a burden on society, as this case shows.

[majormadmax]

Originally Posted by SATX56

BTW, I was speaking of the union boss job!

My bad then, I thought you were attacking the police officers.

In that case, I fully agree. Unions have/had a place, but have grown far beyond it and do more harm then good in modern society.