SA most segregated city by income in US (Victoria, Alamo: low income, apartment)

[Merovee]

Originally Posted by Torpedos

well said mariachi. The poor areas of town are filthy, it is their own fault it is filthy. The crime in higher in that area. I also was very poor but worked smart and go out of that lifestyle.

I disagree that it is their own fault. I will offer one local and historical example and fault should not be assigned to any one group because we all collectively chose as a society and it is really up to all of us to fix it:

• In the 1930s the Jefferson and Harlandale areas were new subdivisions.
• Both had covenants not allowing certain specific groups to move in, basically everyone not in the group allowed to move in. http://tinyurl.com/c4v439z
• During our past investment was put into the newer areas which not everyone could move into.
• Investment was specifically not put into other neighborhoods.
• Successful neighborhoods require investment and we chose as a society to allow others to be neglected.
• Many are able to escape these neighborhoods to raise their children in a better place.
• San Antonio should not have neighborhoods that "need escaping from"
• We shouldn't continue the practice of deliberately not investing in certain areas.
• We shouldn't have second-class citizenship.
• Every neighborhood in San Antonio should allow its residents access to good schools and jobs.

[gungemini]

when the city closed alot of the the Courts didn't they spred the sec 8 people to like the MacArthur areas and what not?

Being a westsider ive seen my are actually improve . Meaning its quieter and there is a drop in crime and im seeing it move to the northern areas. YET !... Whats the point of moving low income families and opeaning section 8 areas to other parts of the citys? Like that is gonna motivate them or improve there suituation?
In my opinion it makes things worse , now they are being judged by they're neighbors . LETS BE REAL

[gungemini]

Originally Posted by Torpedos

well said mariachi. The poor areas of town are filthy, it is their own fault it is filthy. The crime in higher in that area. I also was very poor but worked smart and go out of that lifestyle.

what parts of town are filthy? thats sounded so vague

[skeet09]

Originally Posted by Montirob

Yes... and were even back in the 1970's when I was in elementary school there. My parents finally had enough, and we moved when I was in 7th grade. My wife says I should just "let it go", but that district still makes me angry.

Things were like this in the 70s too? Oh my. My own thoughts/recommendations are to consolidate some of the southside school districts together since some of them are small. South San ISD, Southside ISD, Harlandale ISD. I'm no expert in consolidation in school districts but maybe a re-org can do good.

[thenewtexan]

I believe it...never seen so many gated communities in my life.

[cobralou]

Progress and development is an indicator of what part of the city has better schools and expensive homes. Business are popping up and booming on the Northeast side from Stone Oak, Sonterra, toward Converse. The Northwest side is begininng to start booming from the Rim toward Boerne. The East (downtown)and Westside ( Commmerce and Zarzamora) are no better than they were when I was growing up in the Seventies. The Southeast and South side are gradually improving with Toyata and Texas A&M University . Babcock Road to Potranco on 1604 are showing improvement within in the last 10 years. Drive completely around 1604 and you can see the changes in development ,it is that noticeable.

[rynetwo]

Originally Posted by Merovee

I disagree that it is their own fault. I will offer one local and historical example and fault should not be assigned to any one group because we all collectively chose as a society and it is really up to all of us to fix it:

• In the 1930s the Jefferson and Harlandale areas were new subdivisions.
• Both had covenants not allowing certain specific groups to move in, basically everyone not in the group allowed to move in. Anglos and Mexicans in the Making of Texas, 1836-1986 - David Montejano - Google Books
• During our past investment was put into the newer areas which not everyone could move into.
• Investment was specifically not put into other neighborhoods.
• Successful neighborhoods require investment and we chose as a society to allow others to be neglected.
• Many are able to escape these neighborhoods to raise their children in a better place.
• San Antonio should not have neighborhoods that "need escaping from"
• We shouldn't continue the practice of deliberately not investing in certain areas.
• We shouldn't have second-class citizenship.
• Every neighborhood in San Antonio should allow its residents access to good schools and jobs.

This information is all fine a dandy but it doesn't take into a count cultural issues in San Antonio.

[Bo]

A Federal judge made a ruling this week that could put a dent in economic segregation.

Affluent areas may see more low-cost housing - San Antonio Express-News

The reforms will allow the agency to challenge opposition to low-cost housing from neighborhood groups, which wield more power in Texas than in other states and often force subsidized apartments away from desirable areas.

Such opposition has blocked proposed developments in middle-class neighborhoods of San Antonio, which has one of the worst patterns of housing segregation in Texas.

[rynetwo]

Originally Posted by Bo

A Federal judge made a ruling this week that could put a dent in economic segregation.

Affluent areas may see more low-cost housing - San Antonio Express-News

Who in their right tiny mind would want to buy a 500K house then like them put low income housing in the front of it???

It's like the opposite of what happened thirty years. They are spreading the low income individuals all over the city and the "well off" are flooding back into downtown and pricing them the low income people out. Oh well...

[jeffutsa2001]

Hopefully some urban renewal will change the face of downtown. It will also change the demographics of the area.