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Old 04-07-2013, 02:28 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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I can't believe bspray is still posting after getting destroyed and called out on his clearly intentional misinformation. That's the highlight of this thread for me.
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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The combined Greater Tampa Bay region experienced a combined growth rate of 14.8 percent, growing from 3.4 million to 3.9 million and hitting the 4 million mark on April 1, 2007 in the continuous Tampa Bay urban area.[5] A 2012 estimate of the Tampa Bay Area shows a population of about 4,310,524 people and a 2017 projection of about 4,536,854.
You can't apply different standards when comparing things and draw a fair conclusion. Again, you puff up one places numbers to mislead. If you are going to do that to Tampa, you are going to have to do the same with San Antonio and add in Austin's #s as well.

The U.S. Census says Tampa has 2.8 million.
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Brentwood
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You can't apply different standards when comparing things and draw a fair conclusion. Again, you puff up one places numbers to mislead. If you are going to do that to Tampa, you are going to have to do the same with San Antonio and add in Austin's #s as well.

The U.S. Census says Tampa has 2.8 million.
This is what the EXACT same source had to say about San Antonio's population.

The official 2011 U.S. Census estimate [1] showed the metropolitan area's population at 2,194,927—up from a reported 1,711,103 in 2000—making it the 24th largest metropolitan area in the United States.[2] Greater San Antonio borders Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos to the northeast.

How am I cooking the numbers?

And, I am curious what exactly you think my agenda is here. I have been clear that while I wouldn't mind San Antonio getting a team, I don't want tax payer money going to support the team. I have also contended that I don't think there is enough corporate sponsorship to support it. What agenda do you think I am advocating for?
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Brentwood
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I can't believe bspray is still posting after getting destroyed and called out on his clearly intentional misinformation. That's the highlight of this thread for me.
I mostly agree with this post. I can't believe I am still posting either.
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:49 PM
 
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This is what the EXACT same source had to say about San Antonio's population.

The official 2011 U.S. Census estimate [1] showed the metropolitan area's population at 2,194,927—up from a reported 1,711,103 in 2000—making it the 24th largest metropolitan area in the United States.[2] Greater San Antonio borders Austin–Round Rock–San Marcos to the northeast.

How am I cooking the numbers?
By using census bureau's definitions for one area and a totally different market definition for another. Compare apples to apples please. I gave you the MOST RECENT Tampa #. The number you provided was not for the Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area, it was something entirely different.



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And, I am curious what exactly you think my agenda is here.
Trying pathetically to save face after intentionally trying to mislead people with massaged/flawed statistics.

You could have told the truth with your figures and drawn the same conclusion.. The truth is MLB is tough to support. But the flip side of the coin is the competition if a current team were to seek to relocate. All the other open markets have weaknesses too. Aside from moving to an existing market, the largest/most likely markets out there are places like Charlotte, Portland, Las Vegas, Vancouver BC, and even Austin. There is no 2,000 lb gorilla out there like there is with Los Angeles and the NFL or Seattle with the NBA when it comes to MLB.
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Brentwood
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By using census bureau's definitions for one area and a totally different market definition for another. Compare apples to apples please. I gave you the MOST RECENT Tampa #. The number you provided was not for the Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area, it was something entirely different.





Trying pathetically to save face after intentionally trying to mislead people with massaged/flawed statistics.

You could have told the truth with your figures and drawn the same conclusion.. The truth is MLB is tough to support. But the flip side of the coin is the competition if a current team were to seek to relocate. All the other open markets have weaknesses too. Aside from moving to an existing market, the largest/most likely markets out there are places like Charlotte, Portland, Las Vegas, Vancouver BC, and even Austin. There is no 2,000 lb gorilla out there like there is with Los Angeles and the NFL or Seattle with the NBA when it comes to MLB.
Ok, I give up. I could care less about trying to save face, I am anonymous here - just like you and everyone else that posts an opinion. I was simply trying to explain, to you, how I came to present the numbers I presented because you seem to have such a huge problem with it and choose to respond with personal insults instead of just offering a counter opinion. I don't really care if you agree with me or not.

The reality of the situation is, I am right, regardless of how I presented my numbers or whether or not you agree with those numbers and their presentation. San Antonio can not support a MLB team long term. As cool as I think it would be for it to happen, I don't see it happening without significant tax payer subsidies (if it could even happen then) and I am completely opposed to that.

Feel free to find someone else to troll. I am tapping out.
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:36 PM
 
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I enjoy your passion, but your inability to use the quote feature is making your posts unreadable. Just click on the quote tab at the bottom right and make your post either above or below the quote to respond to a specific post.
Thanks on both counts Sophia's mommy! They're still readable if you look closely. So, how is this one? Z
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:54 PM
 
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Summer is their dry season. But I have to question Portland's support for baseball. When the MLS came about, they decided to renovate the baseball stadium for soccer/football use only and said they would build their AAA team a new stadium, except no neighborhood in Portland wanted a stadium. After several attempts, the owner put the team up for sale and relocation. Sounds like they are content with NBA and MLS.

If SA landed an MLB team, I'd buy season tickets and I live in the Austin area. I know lots of people in the Austin area and the Hill Country that would attend regularly. The tourist draw is also a valid argument. Whenever I travel to a city for business, I always try to see a baseball game. South Texas is passionate about baseball. The sponsorship aspect is a weak spot for SA landing a team though...
Nice opinions there baby! Now were thinking and expressing views. This is what San Antomio needs to show wolf, the major and the sponsors what are concerns are!! Don't forget to say wether you want MLB in San Antonio or not also.. Great job everyone!!!
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:12 PM
 
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So I just return from Houston, where my wife and Iwatched The Oakland A's embarrass the Houston Astros! We had so much fun!!! It was my wife's first MLB experience too. She loves it so much, she's ready for the next won near Memorial Day weekend. That's a great city and a such beautiful ballpark!! Well, both of voices are gone and we retuned with 5 game balls as well. Their fans had about 18-20,000 and at least 5000 were A's fanaticals from all around. I noticed there were at least 20 sponsor all over the ba park. We also found out that the roof gets used more often to shade the field on warm temp days than grainy days. I spoke to a fan that says he has a ester who is an Astros fan who moved to San Jose, Califonia a d frequents Oakland A'sgames just to enjoy baseball! "If you built it, they will come..."
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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Ok, I give up. I could care less about trying to save face, I am anonymous here - just like you and everyone else that posts an opinion. I was simply trying to explain, to you, how I came to present the numbers I presented because you seem to have such a huge problem with it and choose to respond with personal insults instead of just offering a counter opinion. I don't really care if you agree with me or not.

The reality of the situation is, I am right, regardless of how I presented my numbers or whether or not you agree with those numbers and their presentation. San Antonio can not support a MLB team long term. As cool as I think it would be for it to happen, I don't see it happening without significant tax payer subsidies (if it could even happen then) and I am completely opposed to that.

Feel free to find someone else to troll. I am tapping out.
Comon guys!! Lets stay focused and continue to give some perspectives on the forum. Both sides are fine, lets challenge ourselves and add some more reasons why you think or think not why the San Antonio Atletics would homestead there awesome major league franchise here in the awesome city!!! That's the end of the first...
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